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Old 05-12-2008, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I got a little bored with all the questionable associations that people raised about George W. Bush. Anybody who's politically connected is going to eventually find themselves in the same very big circle with questionable people. Politics is dirty and stinky, but the good ones always wash their hands -- regularly.

Bush, not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, had fairly clean hands. Barack's hands are also clean. And he enjoys the gift of being a great deal sharper.
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Old 05-12-2008, 12:07 PM
 
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The problem is that the "facts" are usually not actually "facts." I am not a fanatic, I am a pragmatist. Given the options I have, I am choosing that which most aligns with my values and on more issues than not, Obama fits those values, then Clinton, then McCain. I do not see evil around every corner, I see three commtted Americans who are genuinely convinced they can do a good job in this role.
These are actually facts. I understand that your values are more the values as a person who likes other people to pay for things and have others make a lot of money and work hard and have them pay taxes for the once who don't want to work as hard, and if you make money and have some capital gains these people have to pay for you?
That is why in Europe many people left these countries who were doing the same. Take away from the rich and hard working people and give it to the lazy once who want a hand out.
I'm not rich and always worked hard and had my own business. I can assure you that in a very liberal country people are getting dis engouraged to work as hard as the did because it is going to the lazy onces....
It also sounds very goor the health insurance plan for all people. Well I have grown up under a government who has that policy and it worked for a long time until it was so expensive the government can't afford it and more and more of your income goes towards the insurance of the people who don't work. You won't be free to chose a doctor or dentist since that makes it more expensive. The doctors get paid the same for every patient and it goes by minutes and there is a limit of time you can spent in a doctors office. So a doctor get the same amount to see a young person or an old person. Who do you think is losing out....? How much fun is it when you can't chose the doctor you want to see and if you want to see a specialist you have to see your own doctor first and he decides if you can go or not....because it is all about the money. There is a good side to it, I know, but lately we have seen the health insurance going down in quality and the amount the people have to pay for it went up a lot. So what we used to have isn't there anymore.
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:02 PM
 
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Default Obama's terrorists connections

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While I can clearly see Wright being an issue in the general election, and some problems associated with Rezco, I'm not sure Ayers will be damaging.

If, as Major Minor stated above, it can be demonstrated that he influenced Obama in sending money to inappropriate organizations then that could become part of the drumbeat against Obama.

I'm just not sure right now that this would resonate with voters. At this point, in only looks like a minor "pile it on" issue to me.
This is just getting out. Tonight, it was on the O'Reilly Factor. More details are being dug up about Obama's terrorists connections.
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA
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I guess we now know what the directive is from the GOP to their minions in the media.

Obama=Terrorist, Make it happen.

LOL
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:29 PM
 
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These are actually facts. I understand that your values are more the values as a person who likes other people to pay for things and have others make a lot of money and work hard and have them pay taxes for the once who don't want to work as hard, and if you make money and have some capital gains these people have to pay for you?
That is why in Europe many people left these countries who were doing the same. Take away from the rich and hard working people and give it to the lazy once who want a hand out.
I'm not rich and always worked hard and had my own business. I can assure you that in a very liberal country people are getting dis engouraged to work as hard as the did because it is going to the lazy onces....
It also sounds very goor the health insurance plan for all people. Well I have grown up under a government who has that policy and it worked for a long time until it was so expensive the government can't afford it and more and more of your income goes towards the insurance of the people who don't work. You won't be free to chose a doctor or dentist since that makes it more expensive. The doctors get paid the same for every patient and it goes by minutes and there is a limit of time you can spent in a doctors office. So a doctor get the same amount to see a young person or an old person. Who do you think is losing out....? How much fun is it when you can't chose the doctor you want to see and if you want to see a specialist you have to see your own doctor first and he decides if you can go or not....because it is all about the money. There is a good side to it, I know, but lately we have seen the health insurance going down in quality and the amount the people have to pay for it went up a lot. So what we used to have isn't there anymore.
Since you have mischaracterized my personal values, and since you did so without asking, without dialogue, I am afraid I will have to dismiss your other points as equally uninformed. Had you had the common courtesy to ask why I choose to align myself with a candidate, and we had a reasonable conversation about it, perhaps this could have been a grand discussion. But, you have chosen to make up lies about my positions.
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:34 PM
 
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Obama is and will be a terrorist himself. Not just by the ties, but by his connections and his anti American ways.

People had better wake up, this guy is bad news. His ties are way beyond

Ayers and others, he has made more visits to the middle east then any Senator sitting today. Wonder why?

I do not think any person who has lived in a country that has anti American ties should be even allowed to run for President of this country.

Add it all up, his church, his pastor, his wife, his criminal friends, his wanting to only talk to the leaders of countries that hate America, Ayers and many others. It all adds up to some bad news for us.

We cannot do this to ourselves, vote Nobama 08!
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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DOMESTIC-TERRORIST BILL AYERS (Another friend of Barack Obama.)

Who is Bill Ayers? :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Barack Obama (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/902213,CST-NWS-ayers18.article - broken link)

Ayers, 63, spent 10 years as a fugitive in the 1970s when he was part of the "Weather Underground." They bombed the Pentagon, U.S. Capitol and a string of other government buildings.
Is Bill Ayirs running for President? If not, who the hell cares?
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:46 PM
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Obama is and will be a terrorist himself. Not just by the ties, but by his connections and his anti American ways.

18Montclair
- I believe you may be correct. This must be the new GOP talking point. How absurd.
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:50 PM
 
Location: NC
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An unidentified Obama poster asked if something that happened when Barack was eight years old is relevant? He is referring to the actual bombing doen against the US government by William Ayers and his band of terrorists known as the Weathermen. It is relevant that Obama associates with a known terrorist who vowed to destroy the United States government and who, even today expresses no remorse. That's certainly not picking his friends carefully! This terrorist wanted to kill innocent people. In other words his bombs were deliberately meant to murder employees of the government. As a comparison the 9/11 hijackers not only attempted to do the same deed, they accomplished it. William Ayers probably cheered for them. He said a few years ago that he "wished he could have done more". Thionk about it, the 9/11 bombers took fathers and mothers away from children. These children will grow up without a father or mother to love and comfort them. William Ayers wanted to do the same thing! That is a worse hate crime than any black panther, NOI member or Klan member can do.

Barry Obama and William Ayers are not just former members of the Woods Foundation. They are friends, they have been for several years. The Obamas have socialized and been to Ayers home. At one party in the Ayers home the Obamas and Rezkos met Auchi, the convicted French criminal and British multi millionaire who would later lend 3.5 million dollars to Obama and Rezko in the shady mansion purchase.

Barack Obama favors a socialist idealogy. He was raised by a Communist mother. Taught Marxist Communism by a noted Communist poet and labor aggitator named Frank Marshall Davis. William Ayers was a leftist radical in the 1960's who vowed to violently overthrow the US government and install a socialist government. Ayers supports and contributes financially to Obamas campaign. He's not the only openly Socialist-Communist who does.

If you fail to see the danger in that then you are blind. Our very way of life in the US is in danger if these Communist radicals take over the government.
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Old 05-12-2008, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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An unidentified Obama poster asked if something that happened when Barack was eight years old is relevant? He is referring to the actual bombing doen against the US government by William Ayers and his band of terrorists known as the Weathermen. It is relevant that Obama associates with a known terrorist who vowed to destroy the United States government and who, even today expresses no remorse. That's certainly not picking his friends carefully! This terrorist wanted to kill innocent people. In other words his bombs were deliberately meant to murder employees of the government. As a comparison the 9/11 hijackers not only attempted to do the same deed, they accomplished it. William Ayers probably cheered for them. He said a few years ago that he "wished he could have done more". Thionk about it, the 9/11 bombers took fathers and mothers away from children. These children will grow up without a father or mother to love and comfort them. William Ayers wanted to do the same thing! That is a worse hate crime than any black panther, NOI member or Klan member can do.

Barry Obama and William Ayers are not just former members of the Woods Foundation. They are friends, they have been for several years. The Obamas have socialized and been to Ayers home. At one party in the Ayers home the Obamas and Rezkos met Auchi, the convicted French criminal and British multi millionaire who would later lend 3.5 million dollars to Obama and Rezko in the shady mansion purchase.

Barack Obama favors a socialist idealogy. He was raised by a Communist mother. Taught Marxist Communism by a noted Communist poet and labor aggitator named Frank Marshall Davis. William Ayers was a leftist radical in the 1960's who vowed to violently overthrow the US government and install a socialist government. Ayers supports and contributes financially to Obamas campaign. He's not the only openly Socialist-Communist who does.

If you fail to see the danger in that then you are blind. Our very way of life in the US is in danger if these Communist radicals take over the government.
The Obamas have never been to the home of the Ayers. Their children have. Barrack Obama has never "socialized" with the Ayers. He accepted a ride downtown with Bill Ayers once (maybe it was the other way around). You Republicans must be getting really desparate. Just throwing things to see if anything will stick.
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