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Old 05-14-2008, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Honeymoon over?

The GOP Dumps on Conservatives, Then Blames Us for Their Losses
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Old 05-14-2008, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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The GOP has signed it's own death warrant in it's insistence on becoming the Democrat-lite Party.
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Old 05-14-2008, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Ath,GR
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Maybe the conservative people should be resilient & flexible. If they move towards the center,they will win.
Then they will practice conservative policy & legislation.
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Old 05-15-2008, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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Maybe the conservative people should be resilient & flexible. If they move towards the center,they will win.
Then they will practice conservative policy & legislation.

So you mean lie and pander just to get elected, then go on to govern as they intended all along.

No thanks. Conservatives win when they run as conservatives. The problem is that the republicans have convinced themselves that running as moderates is the way to go - and have been losing elections at the federal and state levels as a result to conservative democrats.

And please don't confuse conservatives with the neoconservatives who have all but taken over the Republican Party leadership. They are not even close to being the same.
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Old 05-15-2008, 10:08 AM
 
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So you mean lie and pander just to get elected, then go on to govern as they intended all along.

No thanks. Conservatives win when they run as conservatives. The problem is that the republicans have convinced themselves that running as moderates is the way to go - and have been losing elections at the federal and state levels as a result to conservative democrats.

And please don't confuse conservatives with the neoconservatives who have all but taken over the Republican Party leadership. They are not even close to being the same.

Conservative democrats would be considered moderates in the republican party. Rick santorum run on a conservative platform but lost to Bob Cases anyway. If the conservatives want to keep shifting to the right on issues and refuse to come towards the center, they are done for.
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Old 05-15-2008, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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So you mean lie and pander just to get elected, then go on to govern as they intended all along.
Worked pefectly for George W Bush in 2000, IE Uniter, not a Divider; Compassionate Conservative(turned out to be nothing but lip service).
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Old 05-15-2008, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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Worked pefectly for George W Bush in 2000, IE Uniter, not a Divider; Compassionate Conservative(turned out to be nothing but lip service).
I don't know how many times I have to say this, but Bush is NOT a conservative no matter how many times he may claim to be one. The reason why Bush won in 2000 and 2004 is because he was more conservative relative to Gore and Kerry respectively.

For one thing, an actual conservative would never preface his ideology with the term 'compassionate' as if simply being a conservative is somehow inherently bad.
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Old 05-15-2008, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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I don't know how many times I have to say this, but Bush is NOT a conservative no matter how many times he many claim to be one. The reason why Bush won in 2000 and 2004 is because he was more conservative relative to Gore and Kerry respectively.
He's definitely a social conservative, but fiscally he makes liberals look stingy.
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Old 05-15-2008, 10:38 AM
 
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Maybe the conservative people should be resilient & flexible. If they move towards the center,they will win.
Then they will practice conservative policy & legislation.
HUH?

If the Republicans move any further to center then will be sitting in Red Square in Russia.
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Old 05-15-2008, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Ath,GR
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All these terms,right,center,cons & newcons have symbolic value...

Everyone projects on them his own desires...

The bottom line is...taxation,less or more,pro-gun or anti-gun laws,soft or tough foreign policy,immigration policy & so on...
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