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Old 05-16-2008, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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The GOPs only hope is to not talk about the issues, otherwise theyre toast.

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"If George Bush and John McCain want to have a debate about protecting the United States of America, that is a debate I am happy to have any time," Obama said. "That is a debate that I will win."
He proceeded to rattle off all the things Bush and McCain have to "answer for." The unnecessary Iraq War. The phantom WMDs. The strengthening of Iran. The fact that "Hamas now controls Gaza." And the fact that Osama Bin Laden is "sending out video tapes with impunity."
TPM Election Central | Talking Points Memo | Obama Hits Back: Debate With McCain And Bush Over Foreign Policy Is One "I Will Win"
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Yes, please. This is a debate that must be at the forefront of this election.

People will see and hear his words, along with his many supporters among the terrorists. That should fit in nicely with the many Americans that think he is a muslim.

I'm just waiting for the tape from UBL or Zawahiri to come out right before the election, saying how much they think it would be a good idea to elect Obama (as Hamas did).
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:30 AM
 
Location: San Antonio North
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. If we talked about the issue the GOP would be a shoe in but they can't seem to bring the focus in on the issues.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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. If we talked about the issue the GOP would be a shoe in but they can't seem to bring the focus in on the issues.
That's because the GOP really doesnt want to focus in on this issue. It much more effective for their leaders to make harsh one-liners that questions the patriotism of anyone who disagrees with them.

It may have worked in 2004 but today, the vast majority of Americans see George W Bush for what he really is.

And they see his failed policies for what they really are-lies.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:39 AM
 
Location: San Antonio North
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That's because the GOP really doesnt want to focus in on this issue. It much more effective for their leaders to make harsh one-liners that questions the patriotism of anyone who disagrees with them.

It may have worked in 2004 but today, the vast majority of Americans see George W Bush for what he really is.

And they see his failed policies for what they really are-lies.
Have no fear California just gave the GOP ammunition to get the christian conservatives motivated once again.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:40 AM
 
Location: At my computador
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The GOPs only hope is to not talk about the issues, otherwise theyre toast.
Hehe. Actually, I watched that speech and felt bad for Obama. The "agent of change" persona just can't hold up under scrutiny. Every assertion he made just seem to add to his appearance as weak. The "presidential look" with chin up and looking off in the distance is worn and he really sounds like a cry-baby.

I really think he just appears too feminine to get elected. This speech played right into it.

I never thought Hillary would seem to be so tough.

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That's because the GOP really doesnt want to focus in on this issue. It much more effective for their leaders to make harsh one-liners that questions the patriotism of anyone who disagrees with them.

It may have worked in 2004 but today, the vast majority of Americans see George W Bush for what he really is.

And they see his failed policies for what they really are-lies.
No one's going to have to question Obama's partriotism. Wright, Ayers, his wife, the lapel pin, he's had such a calamity of errors with no record to back it up, I don't think his partriotism is even in question... It's non-existent.

Obama is a hard-left liberal in the flavor of CA. I don't think America's going to go for it... As we enter the general, people are going to realize that it's too dangerous to put this guy at the helm.

It's the president of the U.S., for God's sake! and he cries over, at best, an innuendo.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Once the Democrats get their act together and make Obama the nominee, that debate will take place. I'm not sure that Obama will be so happy once it takes place and he can no longer try to connect Bush's policies to McCain.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:43 AM
 
Location: San Antonio North
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Once the Democrats get their act together and make Obama the nominee, that debate will take place. I'm not sure that Obama will be so happy once it takes place and he can no longer try to connect Bush's policies to McCain.
He will try repeating Bush third term any and everywhere then when it come time for him to ans. he will say it is out of fairness we raise taxes.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Have no fear California just gave the GOP ammunition to get the christian conservatives motivated once again.
Positive Change sometimes requires going against the grain. Is there ever a good time to do that?
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Once the Democrats get their act together and make Obama the nominee, that debate will take place. I'm not sure that Obama will be so happy once it takes place and he can no longer try to connect Bush's policies to McCain.
The question of judgement on this issue of Iraq is not one John McCain wants to answer-especially since Obama was against it from day one.
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