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Old 05-22-2008, 08:14 PM
 
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The farm bill provides a lot of money for Big business agriculture... this at a time when we are over 9 Trillion dollars in debt... now we know Bush wasn't a smart president but he vetoed that bill which is right now, trying to be revived by the democrat-controlled houses. The question is this... are the democrats intentionally trying to pass this bill during George Bush's reign so that they can blame it on his reign instead of when Obama becomes president (that is, if McCain doesn't become president)... are they trying to put something "bad" into Bush's reign so it doesn't reflect badly on Obama's reign? I have to say that many republicans also went for it as well, are they trying to protect McCain's reign by doing this on Bush's reign? Pass lobbyist driven handouts now so it won't look bad later? Are they trying to pull a fast one? Try to pass as many bad regulations and legislations as possible when its already really bad... seems weird that Congress is suddenly trying to pass things left and right when they done almost nothing the past 8 years..
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:19 PM
 
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If it goes to big business that create jobs and pay well, adds tons of money to our economy the dems will shoot it in the foot.
Remember these dems do not understand how the economy works, maybe someone can give them a class on how jobs are created.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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The farm bill provides a lot of money for Big business agriculture... this at a time when we are over 9 Trillion dollars in debt... now we know Bush wasn't a smart president but he vetoed that bill which is right now, trying to be revived by the democrat-controlled houses. The question is this... are the democrats intentionally trying to pass this bill during George Bush's reign so that they can blame it on his reign instead of when Obama becomes president (that is, if McCain doesn't become president)... are they trying to put something "bad" into Bush's reign so it doesn't reflect badly on Obama's reign? I have to say that many republicans also went for it as well, are they trying to protect McCain's reign by doing this on Bush's reign? Pass lobbyist driven handouts now so it won't look bad later? Are they trying to pull a fast one? Try to pass as many bad regulations and legislations as possible when its already really bad... seems weird that Congress is suddenly trying to pass things left and right when they done almost nothing the past 8 years..
In the Senate the veto on the farm bill was overridden today WITH REPUBLICAN support.

Senate Republicans bail on Bush - First Read - msnbc.com
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:23 PM
 
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The farmers have a lock on many in the senate and the congress on both sides.But of course the democrats only need some republican support and any politican from a farm state will be out of office if they vote no. But then the democratic majority can controll the bill and dealy it or give it prority.
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:31 PM
 
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In the Senate the veto on the farm bill was overridden today WITH REPUBLICAN support.

Senate Republicans bail on Bush - First Read - msnbc.com
Hellooo... of course Republicans have a hand in it but it is a DEMOCRAT MAJORITY in the houses... looking at the number of votes it received, there was an OVERWHELMING democrat support for it and to override the veto... some republicans were also involved... but the democrats could of been responsible and stopped it... they were outright reckless... there was not enough republicans to pass it but there was well more than needed democrats to pass it...
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Hellooo... of course Republicans have a hand in it but it is a DEMOCRAT MAJORITY in the houses... looking at the number of votes it received, there was an OVERWHELMING democrat support for it and to override the veto... some republicans were also involved... but the democrats could of been responsible and stopped it... they were outright reckless... there was not enough republicans to pass it but there was well more than needed democrats to pass it...
Look face it Bush is poison, no Republicans up for reelection want to be associated with him. From the article I referenced previously:

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In two different votes today on the Senate floor, 40 of the 49 Senate Republicans defied President Bush's request for fiscal discipline. One vote was to add billions of dollars in domestic spending to the war-funding bill; the other vote was to override the President's veto of the farm bill. Some of the senators voted against the president on both measures; others on just one. The list of 40 includes every single one of the 18 Senate Republicans facing re-election this year.
Sounds like a lot more than just "some Republicans" to me.
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:00 PM
 
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If it goes to big business that create jobs and pay well, adds tons of money to our economy the dems will shoot it in the foot.
Remember these dems do not understand how the economy works, maybe someone can give them a class on how jobs are created.
Didn't congress want the bill and Bush was going to veto it?
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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Didn't congress want the bill and Bush was going to veto it?
The bulk of the bill has nothing to do with farms. The rest goes to big corporate farms and not the little guy. It is just a big pork bill. You have to give them credit though at least the kept the pork close to the farm.
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:26 PM
 
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Sounds like a lot more than just "some Republicans" to me.
About 35 Senate Republicans in the senate voted for it and about 100 House Republicans voted for it... compared that to 47 Senate Democrats and 200+ House Democrats who voted for the bill.. the democrats could of stopped it easily but they didn't, not only that, they override Bush's veto on it...
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Far Western KY
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The bulk of the bill has nothing to do with farms. The rest goes to big corporate farms and not the little guy. It is just a big pork bill. You have to give them credit though at least the kept the pork close to the farm.
The bulk of this bill was for food stamps and other government hand outs to help those that won't help themselves. You know socialism.
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