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View Poll Results: More likely to go blue
Arizona 47 67.14%
Georgia 23 32.86%
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Old 10-22-2023, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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By the way, Lake is an outsider and didn't come or was picked from the GOP establishment. She is not from that elite club. She didn't play ball with them and challenged them. Ducey and Brewer didn't want her and didn't endorse her.


They wanted Karrin Taylor Robbson and that's what the GOP establishment in D.C wanted also. Pence, Christie, and Gingrich endorsed her. She served under Reagan and HW Bush. So she is very rich and from that club and of the 3.7 million dollars she raised for her campaign for governor , almost 2 million came from her. When Lake beat her 50% to 43%, it threw a wrench to the establishment GOP and like Trump in 2016, they were hoping he lose and that this would go away but it won't because Trump will run again and Lake also.



There was a -2.29% turnout for the 2022 election compared to 2018 which got +17.33%. Enough establishment Republicans didn't vote and gave Hobbs a 0.6% slim victory. The GOP establishment wants their own and can't control Lake.


The problem with the GOP establishment is, Lake got 49.7% of the electorate and they have to deal with her. She will beat anybody in the primary and they have to make truce or have Hobbs for another 4 years.
FYI, Lake is running for senate not another shot at governor.
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Old 10-22-2023, 07:56 PM
 
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FYI, Lake is running for senate not another shot at governor.

Yes, I knew that. When I said she has another shot it was in response to the people that don't want her in politics. She has a shot at getting in the government, state or federal. She got 49.7% of electorate and she has the wind on her back in 2024 and the Democrat party divided. If the GOP establishment supports her, she will have better luck this time around.


My comment about Hobbs is if the GOP establishment doesn't unite and supports Lake, voters will stay at home and not vote in 2026 after 2024, Hobbs might squeeze by again.
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Old 10-23-2023, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Yes, I knew that. When I said she has another shot it was in response to the people that don't want her in politics. She has a shot at getting in the government, state or federal. She got 49.7% of electorate and she has the wind on her back in 2024 and the Democrat party divided. If the GOP establishment supports her, she will have better luck this time around.


My comment about Hobbs is if the GOP establishment doesn't unite and supports Lake, voters will stay at home and not vote in 2026 after 2024, Hobbs might squeeze by again.
Wishful thinking at best.
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Old 10-24-2023, 02:55 AM
 
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You voted for Biden and will vote for him again, so obviously you don't care about the economy. Thanks for the lecture.

You mean a wanna be dictator by voting to invade and finance other countries and carpet bomb them to the Stone Ages? Dictator like being in the Administration with the biggest spying scandal in U.S. history? Dictator like using your DOJ to go after your main political opponent? Thanks for the laugh.
By now, everyone should know that the pandemic and inflation are global and the president doesn`t set the global price for a barrel of oil.
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Old 10-24-2023, 07:07 AM
 
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By now, everyone should know that the pandemic and inflation are global and the president doesn`t set the global price for a barrel of oil.

but the President energy policies does have an effect. Biden has made it costlier to develop domestic oil, while reducing costs on heavily subsidized renewable energy and coddling petro-states where he has looked to for increased supplies. Brent oil prices are holding around $90 a barrel and gasoline prices are headed back up to $4 a gallon due to President Biden’s anti-oil and gas policies. One study estimates that the United States would have produced between 1.2 and 3.5 billion for barrels of oil since Biden came into office if he not reversed President Trump’s pro-oil and gas drilling policies.


Further, Biden has depleted the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) of 260 milion barrels of oil, placing it at a 40 year low. This is an emergency reserve that other Presidents have used for actual emergencies, not for political purposes as Biden did to lower gasoline prices before the mid-term election last year. His Energy Department has yet to refill the oil it sold.


Add Biden's push to prolong the war with Russia and it all has an effect on prices.




That's why his approval numbers on the economy is stuck at 37% (Carter was at 38% when he ran for re-election). But if you think Biden's policies has NO effect on the economy and prices then you wouldnt mind if they replace his old a$$ in 2024. Why is he running for re-election if you say his policies has NO effect on oil prices and world affairs. Wars by design do.
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Old 10-24-2023, 07:09 AM
 
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Wishful thinking at best.

You must be part of the Arizona Democrat Party or a donor. I hope you are getting paid well. It would be a shame if you are doing all this propaganda for free.
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Old 10-24-2023, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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You must be part of the Arizona Democrat Party or a donor. I hope you are getting paid well. It would be a shame if you are doing all this propaganda for free.
Odd that you show up before elections post here once they are over vanish until the next one. Who's the one that is getting paid to post here?
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Old 10-24-2023, 11:46 AM
 
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Odd that you show up before elections post here once they are over vanish until the next one. Who's the one that is getting paid to post here?
You really must be a donor, I'm always here.
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Old 10-26-2023, 08:47 AM
 
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People usually vote for the incumbent if things are going well. Both states are doing well from what I can tell. So, current party will remain in power IMO.
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Old 10-26-2023, 10:05 AM
 
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People usually vote for the incumbent if things are going well. Both states are doing well from what I can tell. So, current party will remain in power IMO.

Not on the Presidential level. Biden has 37% approval on the economy. Carter had a 38% and HW Bush 43% and both lost badly. Economic approval needs to be near 50 or above. The last 7 polls in Georgia shows Trump beating Biden by 5 points and the last 3 in Arizona shows Trump up by 3. Biden is in trouble.


Hobbs has an approval rating of 47%. Hobbs ranks as the third least popular state governor in the country. She won by hair in 2022 with 0.6%. She has 2 years to expand her base or be a 1 term governor.
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