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Old 07-12-2022, 10:11 AM
 
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Seven pages and no one has mentioned that this is based upon a national poll. Based upon our history, it’s what should be expected. The D’s have won 7 of the last 8 national popular votes. Since the turn of the century, the Democrats have won 5 of 6 national popular votes, but only 3 of 6 presidential elections, because of the power that the electoral college gives smaller states.

In the last POTUS election where the R candidate won the national popular vote (2004), George W. Bush received a larger margin in Texas (1.7 M) than his opponent did in California (1.2 M). That’s a half million vote R lead after the 2 largest states are counted.

In the 2020 POTUS election, Trump carried Texas by about 630,000 votes or a little more than 1/3rd of the Bush margin in 2004. Biden carried Cali by 5.1M, or more than 4 times the D margin from 2004. That’s a 4.5M D lead after the 2 largest states are counted.

The national popular vote winner has been virtually synonymous with the Electoral College winner for 90% of the time for well over 200 years, but the lack of competitiveness in the net popular vote in the largest states means that it’s probably no longer a reliable marker.

Unless something radical changes, expect to see the D candidate lead in national polls because of the glut of D votes in California, and to a much lesser extent, in the Northeast. If the D candidate doesn’t win the national popular vote by close to 5%, they’ll probably lose in the Electoral College. As the D edge increases in the most populous states, the more “wasted” D votes, and the higher the percentage win needs to be in the popular vote to prevail in the Electoral College.

Here’s what the national popular vote has looked like in the last 10 POTUS elections.

NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE (Last 10 elections: D7 R3)

2020: Biden 51.26% Trump 46.80% = D+ 4.46%
2016: H Clinton 48.02% Trump 46.93%= D+ 2.09%
2012: Obama 51.07% Romney 47.15%= D+ 3.92%
2008: Obama 52.86% McCain 45.60%= D+ 7.26%
2004: GW Bush 50.73% Kerry 48.26% = R+2.47%
2000: Gore 48.38% GW Bush 47.87% = D+0.51%
1996: B Clinton 49.23% Dole 40.72% = D+8.51%
1992: B Clinton 43.01% GHW Bush 37.45% = D+5.56%
1988: GHW Bush 53.37% Dukakis 45.65% = R+7.72%
1984: Reagan 58.77% Mondale 40.56% = R+18.21%
2000 to 2020 average = D 49.89% -R 47.51% = D+2.38%

https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/

 
Old 07-12-2022, 10:14 AM
 
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I think she would. DeSantis is a weak candidate. And I am no Kamala fan. But sheesh her approval ratings are dismal and she still would beat gov Ron. That is saying a lot about the status of the GOP right now.
lol. One debate and he would clean her clock. She has been on the national stage and he really hasn't. She's a diversity hire. He's not.
 
Old 07-12-2022, 10:21 AM
 
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looks like a fabricated made-up poll.
 
Old 07-12-2022, 11:38 AM
 
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If the D nominee won the national popular vote in 2024 by just 3%, the odds would be favorable for the R candidate to win narrowly in the Electoral College. The D vote sinks in California and the Northeast would account for at least that much of a lead in the popular vote.
 
Old 07-12-2022, 11:41 AM
 
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looks like a fabricated made-up poll.

Kamala couldn't win 1 primary in her party in 2020. Democrats now know she is really that bad.
 
Old 07-14-2022, 06:17 PM
 
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This poll should set the hair on fire of a lot of posters in this sub forum. LOL

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harr...n-poll-1722913
What a bunch of BS.

Harris is even hated in her own party and is one of the dumbest politicians to ever hold office.

Liberals, sensing a route in November, are starting to believe wild fantasies.

NO ONE likes Harris- NO ONE. Could you imagine a debate between Harris and DeSantis?
 
Old 07-14-2022, 06:19 PM
 
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Hey, I'm rooting for Kamala and Dems to run her.

She deserves it and so do they.
 
Old 07-14-2022, 06:23 PM
 
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DeSantis seems to be doing great things in Florida - I think he’d be great for the country
 
Old 07-14-2022, 06:31 PM
 
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If the D nominee won the national popular vote in 2024 by just 3%, the odds would be favorable for the R candidate to win narrowly in the Electoral College. The D vote sinks in California and the Northeast would account for at least that much of a lead in the popular vote.
You keep on mistakenly bringing up the imaginary "popular vote" which has never existed in our constitutional republic.
 
Old 07-14-2022, 06:31 PM
 
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NO ONE likes Harris- NO ONE. Could you imagine a debate between Harris and DeSantis?
I can’t wait.
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