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This is from a thread below--I thought it deserved to be a topic on its own:
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Originally Posted by texas7
Obama - too young and inexperienced. He is promising stuff that is almost impossible to deliver.
Kinda curious what you're referring to here.
You know, this is a good topic. Let's look at what promises have been made that are hard to believe. It's a good way to look at the issues... and the candidates.
BTW, before we get started let's acknowledge that all candidates "promise stuff that is impossible to deliver." For example, Hillary is down in Puerto Rico right now, promising to make statehood for PR one of her top priorities.
She even said she would like to accomplish statehood in her first year of administration. Politicians say that sort of thing.
If you go back to last fall Obama was promising to remove all troops from Iraq "immediately". He quickly learned that was impossible. (Those of you paying attention will remember Sen. Dodd questioning and embarassing Obama about this in the first debate in NH). So Obama realized this was one of his phony promises he couldn't deliver on and he changed his position.
Within 2 weeks his website changed and Obama himself was then saying he would have the troops out of Iraq "quickly" and "in due time". When pressured by an AP reporter Obama said he would have most of the troops in Iraq withdrawn within one year. Critics of this plan asked what he meant by "most of the troops"? In time military experts called the plan dangerous and not well thought out. So, once again, Obama realized he couldn't deliver on this campaign promise and changed his position.
His next opportuntity for change (pardon the pun, I couldn't help myself) came when he heard one of the field generals on CNN speaking. Obama's third position on Iraqi troop withdrawal became. "I don't know how long a withdrawal will take. That will be a decision arrived at by our generals in the field. Obama realized much of his early support came from people who demanded an early and quick withdrawal. He knew they were going to be pissed and might jump ship to Hillary or another candidate so he modified the statement above thusly: "I don't know how long a withdrawal will take. Our generals in the field will decide how to make a quick and safe withdrawal. His critics soon pounced on that position as being ambiguous and contridictory. Obama realized that this position was confusing and "passing the buck" so he again changed his position.
His present position as evidenced on his website, in newspaper and magazine articles and in TV appearences is that he prefers a "staged withdrawal". Asked how long such a withdrawl might take Obama said "that would be determined by the generals in the field." Pressed for a period of time on NBC Obama said "it may take several years" and on Larry King Live "Some troops may be in Iraq for an extended period". Will Obama stick with this plan or will he change his position once again? * * * * "Obama doesn't know jacksh_t about the military. Everytime he speaks extemporaneously he scares the hell out of me."---M. Watt, Obama supporter, superdelegate and US congressman
You know, this is a good topic. Let's look at what promises have been made that are hard to believe. It's a good way to look at the issues... and the candidates.
BTW, before we get started let's acknowledge that all candidates "promise stuff that is impossible to deliver.
Such is the art of politics for Democratic styled governments.
"Read my lips, no new taxes", "I did not have sexual relations with that woman", "No new nation building", and I'm sure we can find an endless supply of promises and statements that are completely bunk from nearly every President.
Look around the American landscape (although not unique to us alone) and consider the attention span of our population, then consider what level of understanding and comprehension the general population has concerning politic and the political process. Then add in some consideration that our dual party set up divides people into roughly two camps, each willing to walk off a cliff to progress one party or the other. Here is what you end up with...
Candidates who can say anything they wish, no matter how absurd because their own constituency will not question the validity of the statement and the opposition will scream foul that leads to a lot of press and media exposure for a very short period of time. Then next week shows up and a completely new set of BS is spewed and it is again embraced and rejected, and yesterdays promises, statements and comments are all but forgotten.
Additionally, any promises made during a campaign can often be dismissed later under the premise that, "things have changed" since those statements were made and so thus can't be fulfilled. It is a game played by social manipulators upon another group of people unwilling to hold the political bodies feet to the fire of accountability for a variety of reasons, one being that the public embraces the same lack of scruples and principles as those they so admire. Government is after all merely a reflection of itself, which is the people.
Obama promised he would drop out by March 1 so Hillary could move forward with coronation. He did that last summer and has failed to deliver.
Oh, man.... how could we forget a promise like that? And now that I recall, he promised to get her tiara polished, too. Naughty, naughty Obama--it's a good thing Tuborg's paying attention!
Hillary is promising UHC but knows she can't get that put through congress. She also made people feel that she will get the troops out, she knows that it will take time, probably no quicker than Bush would have done. Maybe the only "promise" she will keep is to give illegals driving licenses.
Hillary is promising UHC but knows she can't get that put through congress. She also made people feel that she will get the troops out, she knows that it will take time, probably no quicker than Bush would have done. Maybe the only "promise" she will keep is to give illegals driving licenses.
Making illegals get drivers licenses is a good idea... why shouldn't they get licenses????
Everyone else does!
oh yeah... they can't get licenses because they're illegally in our country... and, if we make them get Driver's Licenses they'll have to identify themselves and give some sort of address.
How unfair is that???
No. We should defend their rights to be illegally in the country and illegally operating cars on the highway. So, then, if they have an accident - while driving illegally - we'll all just continue to pay for it! They can just drive away - or flee back to their country without being held accountable for anything.... ever.
and, if the illegals get injured in their automoblie accidents (while illegally operating a car on our highways), let's pay for their medical care, too. It's only fair! right??? (of course, if those of us with licenses don't have insurance to pay for medical care, we can just go home and suffer quietly. But, let's get the illegals taken care of...poor things! )
Great. Let's beat the Senator up for that some more!
Last edited by World Citizen; 05-26-2008 at 10:37 AM..
Hillary is promising UHC but knows she can't get that put through congress. She also made people feel that she will get the troops out, she knows that it will take time, probably no quicker than Bush would have done. Maybe the only "promise" she will keep is to give illegals driving licenses.
Hillary said she WOULDN'T give illegals drivers licenses. Obama said HE WOULD!
I believe she was the one to first bring it up - in a debate or other public forum. I heard it but don't remember what forum it was.
She was, of course, immediately crucified for the statement...
Glad Mr. Obama understands that it's an intelligent idea !
She was asked about it in a debate and she wavered around answering "yes." In the next debate, she clarified that by saying that she had thought about it more and decided the answer was "No, she would not give illegals driver's licenses." So the answer is no.
But Obama thinks illegals should have driver's licenses -- and he thinks everyone should have to learn a second language.
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