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Old 03-27-2023, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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There should be a federal question on the 2024 ballot.

Should Abortion be allowed till 40 weeks of pregnancy?

I would think 70% would vote yes.

Use Ireland as an example of a Christain nation which voted yes at a 66% rate.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44256152
Numerous polls show 60% have shown NO to 40 weeks. Most are against abortion, after 15 weeks, normal exceptions aside.
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Old 03-27-2023, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Numerous polls show 60% have shown NO to 40 weeks. Most are against abortion, after 15 weeks, normal exceptions aside.
15-20 weeks is more than enough for non-medical related abortions. There should be no restrictions on medical reasons related abortions.
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Old 03-27-2023, 02:51 PM
 
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Libs are scared out of their minds that w/o a federally mandated abortion policy, they'll no longer have that ammo to fire at any Republican running for national office....and they are right...abortion is now off the agenda for those seeking national office.

Taking abortion out of the national debate is a HUGE advantage for Pubs. Many voters were/are 1 issue voters, particularly black women, & eventually they'll all resolve themselves to the fact that its now a state issue.

It will take some time to play out, but this was a huge win for Pubs. If you eliminate abortion as an issue, many more voters will vote Pub....imho.

I disagree.


I think many of them will hold that against Republicans at the ballot box for the rest of their lives.
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Old 03-31-2023, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Libs are scared out of their minds that w/o a federally mandated abortion policy, they'll no longer have that ammo to fire at any Republican running for national office....and they are right...abortion is now off the agenda for those seeking national office.

Taking abortion out of the national debate is a HUGE advantage for Pubs. Many voters were/are 1 issue voters, particularly black women, & eventually they'll all resolve themselves to the fact that its now a state issue.

It will take some time to play out, but this was a huge win for Pubs. If you eliminate abortion as an issue, many more voters will vote Pub....imho.
No.
No woman will ever resolve herself to being forced to bear a child she wants to abort if another woman in the state next door can get an abortion.

That's simply too unfair to tolerate, especially for poor women, or for the girls who are too young to be good mothers and don't want kids yet.

That patchwork of states is why the federal government was forced into the issue in the first place, 50 years ago. When every state's permissibility was equal, it made abortion easier and childbearing easier at the same time.

Roe v. Wade didn't impose a new federal law on all states. It set guidelines that were universally adopted by the medical associations that issue state licenses to practice to doctors.

Medical licensing is like legal licensing; a license gives the applicant permission to practice within the state because they have been tested and are qualified by other members of their profession.

So it's always been up to the states to write the abortion laws. And it always will be a state responsibility.
The patchwork returned is all that changed. So the fight began again. It won't ever end this time, just as it never ended last time.

Sooner or later, the feds will have to step in a level the field once more to stop the fighting. That was the only way the fighting stopped 50 years ago, after the fights began when birth control was declared illegal by law 50 years earlier.

Roe v. Wade brought peace to a lot of very troubled states for a very long time. Long enough that women were allowed to take control of their own bodies and refuse to allow government the power to decide they could bear children or not. I doubt todays women will give up their automony easily now.
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Old 04-05-2023, 06:30 PM
 
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You have it 100% backwards.

By eliminating a federally mandated abortion policy, the GOP has made abortion a federal issue. It is now even more of an issue for those seeking national office than it was when abortion was protected by Roe.
Ding. Ding. Ding.

It's like the dog that finally caught the car. OK, NOW what do I do?

The Dodd's decision is going to bite the Right in the rump, and HARD. 2022 was too soon to really see the effect, it's going to be 2024 and 2028 and beyond when women (especially young women just getting the vote) are going to dominate politics here in the USA. A direct reaction to the Dodd's decision.

The reason he has it 100% backwards, is that is the only position that can help him deal with the cognitive dissonance.
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Old 04-10-2023, 01:02 PM
 
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15-20 weeks is more than enough for non-medical related abortions. There should be no restrictions on medical reasons related abortions.
Agreed, but many red states abortion is cut off at six weeks (Georgia, Florida) or outright banned.
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Old 04-10-2023, 01:53 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Agreed, but many red states abortion is cut off at six weeks (Georgia, Florida) or outright banned.
Didn't Florida cut it off at 15 weeks?
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Old 04-10-2023, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Didn't Florida cut it off at 15 weeks?
Yup. And now the Florida Senate and DeSantis are going for 6.

You read it here first - the anti-choice folks will not rest until ALL abortions are illegal. They've said so, repeatedly.

So if you're looking for a compromise number that will settle the issue for most voters, you're looking for a unicorn. There will always be enough of these folks to throw a monkey wrench into any approach that falls short of a complete ban. They've been dissuaded from murdering abortion doctors for a while, but you can bet if they think that other means have failed, they WILL get those guns out again.

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Old 04-10-2023, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Most of these red states give no exception for medical reasons such as fetal deformities.
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Old 04-10-2023, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Most of these red states give no exception for medical reasons such as fetal deformities.
There's no way every state will ever get behind abortion prohibition again. Blanket prohibition came at a time when all women were basically the possessions of their fathers until they married and became the possession of their husbands.

Those times are gone forever.

You mentioned just one problem it has, but there are dozens of them, and they don't all exist in all state laws. Some states have always restricted abortion access, but not procedures. Others have prohibited access and some procedures, but not this single procedure.
Specifically limiting abortion procedures and allowing others won't ever work. Trying to get all 50 states to go with any law like that won't ever work. Trying to get women everywhere to agree with those laws won't ever work.

A blanket across-the-board prohibition law won't ever work either.
Such laws always conflict with our rights and liberties in some way or other. Our rights as men and as women.

They will all be struck down eventually, or will be watered down so much they're meaningless.

But while they are enforced, they will cause great damage to the state, no matter what the law contains.

When a doctor knows how to save a woman's life, and is constrained by law to force a woman to die so that her child may be born alive, and the woman wants to live, not die, what can a doctor do?

If he over-rules the woman's desire for an abortion, he won't be charged with a crime, but she'll die.

But if he goes with his patient's deepest wish- the desire to live- he could lose his license, everything else he's worked for, and his own freedom! Every doctor takes an oath to do as much as he possibly can to keep every patient alive to the best of his ability. They make that pledge before they're allowed to treat their first patient.

So what does a doctor do? He leaves the state and moves to somewhere he can practice that allows him and his patients the freedom to make their own choices on a matter that is always life and death.

As soon as he leaves, what's going to happen when he's gone to the pregnant woman and her baby?
Neither one will be healthy when the baby finally comes. Or when the mother dies before birth.

No baby that's been taken from a dead mother is healthy, even if they're alive. Who will care for them if the doctor is gone?

For sure, the care won't come from a politician. And there are worse outcomes than losing good doctors in restricting pregnancy. The politicians who wrote these new laws will have to answer to their voters for them.

All those politicians who are writing these laws should remember why Roe V. Wade happened.

Roe v. Wade set the conditions when an abortion could be done in compliance throughout all 50 states.
For the first time. Before this decision, the nation was the jumble it is now, and always had been stuck in that jumble.

It was the first official decision that allowed every woman to have autonomy- the ability to control her ability to control her own body herself.

A half-century later, it wasn't a fight any more. Nowadays, its a fight that should have never been allowed to restart.

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