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Old 05-29-2008, 11:53 AM
 
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If you do more research, you'll find that Obama and McCain's plans are more similar than Hillary and Obama's. Obama's also will cost 2X what Hillary's would (per person).
I'm so tired of doing research... Does that mean McCains plan would also cost 2X Hillary's?

This and its comments are interesting, from the WSJ Health Blog - Health Blog : Obama Likens McCain's Health Plan to Bush the Sequel

"See [this link] for how both sides are making compromises that make their plans more centrist": Health Blog : Clinton, McCain & Obama Tiptoe Toward Middle on Health Insurance

Jonathan Cohn: The case against the McCain health care plan (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/viewpoints/stories/DN-cohn_19edi.ART.State.Edition1.4606b60.html - broken link)
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:04 PM
 
Location: San Antonio North
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Everyone is saying bad stuff about Karl the funny thing s while he is a slime bag he is one of the smartest political strategist in the world maybe. No one can deny that he is a great at what he does. If he were on your team you would love the guy. Get over it. It was a good article.
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:11 PM
 
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Yes, Rove is slime, but Rove is smart slime.
I agree, he is one smart cookie and the loons cannot stand him because he makes them look STUPID!!

Rove for VP !!!
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Everyone is saying bad stuff about Karl the funny thing s while he is a slime bag he is one of the smartest political strategist in the world maybe. No one can deny that he is a great at what he does. If he were on your team you would love the guy. Get over it. It was a good article.
He's a slimeball and most everybody knows it. Now he's been subpoenaed before Congress which is investigating the Bush Administration's politicization of the Justice Department and Rove's involvement in the imprisoning of ex Ala. Gov. Siegelman.

The Raw Story | Conyers subpoenas Karl Rove over Justice Department scandal

Did Ex-Alabama Governor Get A Raw Deal?, 60 Minutes Reports On Bribery Conviction Of Don Siegelman In A Case Criticized by Democrats And Republicans - CBS News
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:21 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Karl Rove is disgusting. He makes liberals look good.
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:22 PM
 
Location: San Antonio North
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He's a slimeball and most everybody knows it. Now he's been subpoenaed before Congress which is investigating the Bush Administration's politicization of the Justice Department and Rove's involvement in the imprisoning of ex Ala. Gov. Siegelman.

The Raw Story | Conyers subpoenas Karl Rove over Justice Department scandal

Did Ex-Alabama Governor Get A Raw Deal?, 60 Minutes Reports On Bribery Conviction Of Don Siegelman In A Case Criticized by Democrats And Republicans - CBS News
Yea I sad that. I also said he is a very smart and successful slime bag. (you can sit and spin all you want but their is no denying that)
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:24 PM
 
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I agree, he's super smart. It's just too bad he didnt use his smarts for Good instead of Evil
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Karl Rove is disgusting. He makes liberals look good.
You Obamatons/liberals hate him for one reason only - he was the Architect of political campaigns where the dems/libs took a thumping.

The man is a brilliant political strategist.
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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....McCain's and Hillary's platforms are very different...?

"[Obama's] plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is the amount of money you will spend on premiums. That will be less. If you are one of the 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will have it after this plan becomes law. No one will be turned away because of a preexisting condition or illness.”

Plus cutting costs, increasing transparency, tightening up the whole medical care and insurance morasses. I think he can get it done.

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Health Care

Your portion of the premium that you pay up front will be less, but the government's portion will be more. Guess who pays that - yep - the tax payer.

He wants everybody to be able to use the federal plan that Congress gets. Look up that plan. The government pays far more for the premiums than what you and I would pay to get the same plan on our own. Gotta love government efficiency.
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:38 PM
 
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Rove, you are siting Rove, who was a key participant in a massive deception to get us into an unjust war and also participated in the outing of a NOC CIA agent and her front company, all for political gain.

Yeah, keep clinging on to Wright is not running for president.

Obviously one thing is clear, you don't care about truth.
You can repeat the "Bush lied" mantra ad nauseum but that doesn't give it any more veracity for the repetition. When the Director of the CIA, George Tennant, told the President that finding WMD's in Iraq was a "slam dunk" and when the intelligence services of other countries, including Great Britain, France and Germany, believed that Saddam had WMD's were they all lying, as well? And when the critics of the President's decision to depose Saddam warned of mass casualties because Sadddam would use his chemical and biological weapons against our troops. And when the military issued the invading force full-body protection against chemcial and biological agents were they all lying, too? So what deception did Rove participate in in the run up to the war?

As far as Valerie Plame, her identity as a CIA employee was revealed in an article by Robert Novak. When all was said and done Novak wrote another article in which he named his source for that story. It was neither Karl Rove nor Scooter Libby. It was Richard Armitage at the Colin Powell State Department. So my question to you is: Do you care about truth?
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