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Old 05-29-2008, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Originally Posted by 100%Michigan View Post
I support Hillary Clinton

I hope Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, she is winning the popular vote ( and in some cases delegates/ I think. ) I ran into a person and we got caught up all up in the election, and brought to my attention that they had voted for Barack Obama. I simply asked why, told me they were tagged in by the word " change " but failed to see the truth. Mention if they could vote again without hestitation they would vote for Hillary Clinton, hope she gets the nomination as well.

Woot Hillary
Geez, c'mon now. She's not winning any delegate count and she's behind in all the popular vote counts unless you include Mi, where Obama wasn't on the ballot.

Popular vote

Obama-16,685,941
Clinton-16,227,514 Obama+458,427

Popular vote with Fla.

Obama-17,262,155
Clinton-17,098,500 Obama+163,655

Delegates

Obama-1982
Clinton-1781

Delegates with Fla. and Mi as is

Obama-2083
Clinton-1974

2008 Democratic Convention Watch: Superdelegate endorsements for Thursday 5/29

RealClearPolitics - 2008 Elections - Democratic Vote Count
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Old 05-29-2008, 05:28 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Upton View Post
Geez, c'mon now. She's not winning any delegate count and she's behind in all the popular vote counts unless you include Mi, where Obama wasn't on the ballot.

Popular vote

Obama-16,685,941
Clinton-16,227,514 Obama+458,427

Popular vote with Fla.

Obama-17,262,155
Clinton-17,098,500 Obama+163,655

Delegates

Obama-1982
Clinton-1781

Delegates with Fla. and Mi as is

Obama-2083
Clinton-1974

2008 Democratic Convention Watch: Superdelegate endorsements for Thursday 5/29

RealClearPolitics - 2008 Elections - Democratic Vote Count
I support Hillary Clinton

With your delegates with Fla. and Mi as is, are you counting only pledge delegates or superdelegates? ( In some cases counting the pledge delegates with Michigan and Florida Hillary Clinton is winning/ I think )

Woot Hillary
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Old 05-29-2008, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Originally Posted by 100%Michigan View Post
I support Hillary Clinton

With your delegates with Fla. and Mi as is, are you counting only pledge delegates or superdelegates? ( In some cases counting the pledge delegates with Michigan and Florida Hillary Clinton is winning/ I think )

Woot Hillary
That's all the pledged delegates from Mi and Fla plus the superdelegates from Mi. and Fla. that have declared a preference.

In Mi. there are 28 superdelegates 8 have endorsed Clinton, 5 for Obama, the rest remain uncommitted. In Fla. there are 24 SDs, Clinton again has 8, Obama 4, the rest uncommitted.

Under no measure or no count does Clinton even come close to leading in delegates.
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:07 PM
JJG
 
Location: Fort Worth
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So some of you think people would be stupid to vote for Obama......
Well call me stupid, but I sure wont vote for some 100 year old war-hungry, "Bush-Lite" who wants to keep us in Iraq for 100 years.
SCREW THAT !!!

The only thing I find funny is that most of you wouldn't even dream of walking up to an Obama supporter and calling them stupid. Go to Prairie View A&M next fall and I DARE you to call one of the students stupid for voting for Obama. I DARE YA!!!
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I hope to God that those nutcases on the Left don't get their way and get Obama elected. The thought of him as President, Pelosi as Speaker, and Reid as Majority Leader is simply too frightening to contemplate. However, it makes it difficult to get the truth out when the media has abandoned any sense of impartiality and is doing it's damndest to get that idiot Obama elected.
You are angry. Relax, it will help you think clearer.
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Fort Myers Fl
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That video shows you Obama is clueless on world politics. Maybe Russia and China are supporters of Obama. Sometimes I have to wonder about him.
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:28 PM
 
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Obama should be elected, here is why.

Who ever is going to be elecected (implying party also), is going to be given a huge mess and it will last most of their term. Who ever is in office and their party will get full blame for it.

Obama getting elected will run things into the ground so much that it will, at least for the next 20 years, end any and all socialist movements that have been going on in this country. Not only will he be getting handed on a plate a huge mess of foreign and domestic policies, but his obvious socialist agenda will make things worst.

Why you think McCain is the GOP's man? Because he is not a true republican, he knows this, they know it, he is old, done everything and is now just trying to get his name in the history books. Even if he wins, the GOP has a win-win situation, everyone, left and right, knows McCain is not a true republican.

So please, vote for Obama, in the short run it will suck, but in the long run it will be the best thing for this country.
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:53 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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I was never planning to vote for that radical leftist empty-suit Obama anyway but I just ran across this and it scared the hell out of me. This IDIOT plans on unilaterally disarming the nation. Probably to fund his ridiculous socialist proposals. God I hope that the American people aren't stupid enough to elect this kook.


YouTube - IN 52 SECS WHY BARACK OBAMA CANNOT WIN A GENERAL ELECTION
The same thing that scares you actually makes me feel more comfortable and safe. A world with excess weapons becomes a paranoid and hostile planet. Nuclear disarmament is important to safeguard the future of our species. Whereas you see weapons as a way to protect us "Americans", I see weapons as a catalyst to destroy us "Humans."
You can call insult me if you want to. I'm not going to stoop to your level of name calling. Even though I don't agree at all with your opinions, I would never believe that it made you dumb, but that we just differed in opinions and in the right strategy for this nation and for this world.
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Wasilla
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So some of you think people would be stupid to vote for Obama......
Well call me stupid, but I sure wont vote for some 100 year old war-hungry, "Bush-Lite" who wants to keep us in Iraq for 100 years.
SCREW THAT !!!

The only thing I find funny is that most of you wouldn't even dream of walking up to an Obama supporter and calling them stupid. Go to Prairie View A&M next fall and I DARE you to call one of the students stupid for voting for Obama. I DARE YA!!!
If I was there, I definitely would. And then I would proceed to demolish any argument that they could formulate to support voting for that socialist nitwit.

Did you even watch that video? Obama would happily disarm this nation as he tries to implement his insane "progressive" agenda. He would set this nation back 20 years with his leftist stupidity.

Last edited by Classic Satch; 05-29-2008 at 09:11 PM..
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Old 05-29-2008, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Wasilla
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The same thing that scares you actually makes me feel more comfortable and safe. A world with excess weapons becomes a paranoid and hostile planet. Nuclear disarmament is important to safeguard the future of our species. Whereas you see weapons as a way to protect us "Americans", I see weapons as a catalyst to destroy us "Humans."
You can call insult me if you want to. I'm not going to stoop to your level of name calling. Even though I don't agree at all with your opinions, I would never believe that it made you dumb, but that we just differed in opinions and in the right strategy for this nation and for this world.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinions. I vehemently disagree with this particular one because it stands in direct contravention of thousands of years of human history, and quite frankly, common sense.

The only person I've insulted is Barack Obama and I will continue to do so. He is a fool of epic proportions and I hope enough people come to realize this.

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Obama should be elected, here is why.

Who ever is going to be elecected (implying party also), is going to be given a huge mess and it will last most of their term. Who ever is in office and their party will get full blame for it.

Obama getting elected will run things into the ground so much that it will, at least for the next 20 years, end any and all socialist movements that have been going on in this country. Not only will he be getting handed on a plate a huge mess of foreign and domestic policies, but his obvious socialist agenda will make things worst.

Why you think McCain is the GOP's man? Because he is not a true republican, he knows this, they know it, he is old, done everything and is now just trying to get his name in the history books. Even if he wins, the GOP has a win-win situation, everyone, left and right, knows McCain is not a true republican.

So please, vote for Obama, in the short run it will suck, but in the long run it will be the best thing for this country.
I've heard that reasoning before and I can see some logic in it. However, and this is where an Obama presidency could do the most damage, he would probably have the opportunity to nominate several liberals to the Supreme Court. For a few decades now, and most recently in California, federal judges have taken it upon themselves to overrule the will of the people and push forward the "progressive" agenda, which the majority of Americans disagree with when they actually pay attention and see it in all it's grand stupidity.

Not to mention all of the lower court judges he could appoint. Liberals have been trying to force their nonsense down the collective throats of all Americans for many years but it usually gets shot down in the various legislatures. Now they've resorted to lawsuits and sympathetic judges to bypass the only route in which such things should be enacted. It's disgusting actually.

So that is why I must disagree with you on this.
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