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05-31-2008, 11:44 PM
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Now that Michigan and Florida have been decided, here is the popular vote totals via Real Clear Politics: ( RealClearPolitics - 2008 Elections - Democratic Vote Count)
Total votes with Florida and Michigan:
Hillary: 17,428,986
Obama: 17,266,433
Hillary leads by 162,553 votes
Total votes with Florida and Michigan and the caucus estimates for IA, WA, NV and ME:
Hillary: 17,652,848
Obama: 17,600,517
Hillary leads by 52,331 votes
Woot Hillary!! |
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05-31-2008, 11:47 PM
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The magic delegate number is now 2118 and neither have reached it.
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05-31-2008, 11:54 PM
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Those votes should be dismissed anyway, no telling how many did not vote because they thought it would not count in the firs place.
Of course it is their party, they can run it however they want to.
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06-01-2008, 03:28 AM
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Location: Piedmont, CA
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Originally Posted by k350
Those votes should be dismissed anyway, no telling how many did not vote because they thought it would not count in the firs place.
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EXACTLY.
The popular vote as Hillary Clinton sees it is flawed and utter inaccurate. Its not out of the question to assume that perhaps hundreds of thousands of people in both states didnt vote because they were under the impression that they didnt count.
Hillary Clinton herelf also made the assertion that Michigan didnt count.
Now that she finds herself on the losing end of the primaries, suddenly making sure all the votes count, regardless as to why they werent counted in the first place, is her number 1 priority!?!?! Now she's a champion of voters rights? 
She wants to bend the rules for FL and MI, but what about the other 48 states that kept the rules?
What about the fact that no candidate campaigned in those states?
Please, Hillary needs to spare us her feigned indignation |
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06-01-2008, 06:06 AM
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The magic delegate number is now 2118 and neither have reached it.
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I agree but I would put my money on Obama he only needs 68 more where Hillary needs 241. The nominee will be picked by delegates and not the popular vote. |
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06-01-2008, 06:31 AM
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Location: Florida (SW)
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The nomination is decided by delegates. The popular vote is interesting but not relevent. The Clinton campaign practices selectity about which statistics they deem to be significant. Many of the contests in the 50 states they deemed as non-important...but now they expect Puerto Rico to be given the honor of choosing our party's nominee--what is with that?
The disgraceful conduct of the Clinton spokespersons at the Rules Committee Meeting yesterday (snarling, threatening and cursing) and her supporters heckling and disrupting respected and elder party leaders.....should be enough to bring all the uncommitted super delegates out to put her out of her misery. She has worn away all support that many of us once had for her.
It has always been about delegates....that is why she fought so hard for the delegates from MI and FL, even though they both admittedly held illegal and flawed beauty contests instead of primaries or caucuses. How do you know popular vote stats anyway when some states hold caucuses and don't vote?
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06-01-2008, 06:39 AM
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Location: Albemarle, NC
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Hillary can use this as a ploy to sway undecided superdelegates. Will of the people, yadda yadda yadda. Isn't that what the Democrats have been wanting all along? Or was that just while Obama had the popular vote lead?  |
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06-01-2008, 07:55 AM
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Hillary can use this as a ploy to sway undecided superdelegates.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Oh my! Oh thank you--it feels good to laugh like that!
Undecided superdelegates. Oh, su-u-ure, there's still plenty of them!  |
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06-01-2008, 07:58 AM
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Location: Albemarle, NC
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Originally Posted by normie
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Undecided superdelegates. Oh, su-u-ure, there's still plenty of them! |
About 200 last time I looked. I know Obama has had a few come out in his favor, but they are still out there. Speaking of which, when is Robert Byrd going to endorse Hillary? WV went to her, shouldn't he be doing the will of the voters? Ted Kennedy (yes we know he has a tumor) should as well. There's a whole host of others that should change their endorsements based on the will of the people for both candidates.
FYI: NC still has 2 super spots that haven't been chosen yet. I'm sure there are others as well. |
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06-01-2008, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by UB50
Now that Michigan and Florida have been decided, here is the popular vote totals via Real Clear Politics: ( RealClearPolitics - 2008 Elections - Democratic Vote Count)
Total votes with Florida and Michigan:
Hillary: 17,428,986
Obama: 17,266,433
Hillary leads by 162,553 votes
Total votes with Florida and Michigan and the caucus estimates for IA, WA, NV and ME:
Hillary: 17,652,848
Obama: 17,600,517
Hillary leads by 52,331 votes
Woot Hillary!! |
Michigan shouldn't be counted with the popular vote because Obama got 0 votes since his name wasn't even on the ballot. |
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