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Old 06-15-2008, 02:18 AM
 
Location: OC, CA
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The polls are showing that only 9%-15% of Americans are "claiming" to base their decision based on race. Personally, I think that number is more like 60% who are factoring in race in their decision.

Whites-Notably in the Midwest and more conservative areas, white people are uneasy by Obama's anti-small town (aka small town white voters) comments in Pennsylvania. They are also scared by Obama's reverend, Wright, and his clear "black supremacy" feelings. Others are just weary of the man because of the color of his skin, possibly because they have a personal bias within their communities. It must also be noted that 85% of whites voted for a white candidate in the primaries (between John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack). Clearly there is a "racial factor" affiliated with the white vote in general.

African Americans-Many African Americans are just getting behind Obama for his race. Many do not know what the hell he stands for, but know they like him. 93% of African Americans voted for him in either party, 97% in the Democratic Party. I undoubtedly think race is the only reason many African Americans are voting for the man.

Overall, the polls that keep saying Americans aren't basing this race on race are totally wrong. People won't admit it, but the statistics dont lie. Now, for Barack, it is understandable for a white candidate to be skeptical to vote for him. He has had all these "anti white" hidden skeletons that keep coming out of his closet, which would make anyone hesitant.

What are your thoughts.
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Old 06-15-2008, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Harrisburg, PA
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Well my thoughts are that the media loves to make mountains out of mole hills and unfortunately many Americans are grossly under-informed.

I am a Black American who is supporting Obama. I am not voting for him because he is Black -- I'm voting for him because he is a Democrat. If Hillary would have gotten the nomination...I would have voted for her. The rest of the Black American Democrats out there probably would have done the same (Black Americans are overwhelmingly Democrat).

Being the Sen. Obama is a representative of our demographic, sure, I am very glad he is in this position. In addition to that, it is a "first". So he's the buzz in the Black community right now. Just like when Israel was founded 60 years ago, it was the buzz in the Jewish community. It is pride...not "racism" that causes Black Americans to note his race when asked about him. Now what would have been more interesting is if the choice were between a White Democrat...and a Black Repuplican -- then you can argue what factor race really plays. However when the majority of Black Americans are registered Democrats anyway...it's just unbelievable why they are even bringing this issue up (can't you come up with anything better?).
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Old 06-15-2008, 09:27 AM
 
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The question is if those folks who traditionally who support Democratic presidential candidates will vote for Obama. That includes white ethnic folks, some white rural folks and many white independents.

And if they don't vote for Obama, is it automatically racism? I'm not ready to state that.
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Old 06-15-2008, 09:35 AM
 
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Race is only an issue to those that want it to be. I've noted that here, I've seen far more individuals on the left brint it up then those on the right.
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Old 06-15-2008, 09:39 AM
 
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Race is only an issue to those that want it to be. I've noted that here, I've seen far more individuals on the left brint it up then those on the right.
John McCain and 'Willie" Horton (his name actually is 'William') would beg to differ.

Who is coming up with false internet rumors about 'whitey' statements? Not leftists, for sure.
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Old 06-15-2008, 09:47 AM
 
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Well my thoughts are that the media loves to make mountains out of mole hills and unfortunately many Americans are grossly under-informed.

I am a Black American who is supporting Obama. I am not voting for him because he is Black -- I'm voting for him because he is a Democrat. If Hillary would have gotten the nomination...I would have voted for her. The rest of the Black American Democrats out there probably would have done the same (Black Americans are overwhelmingly Democrat).

Being the Sen. Obama is a representative of our demographic, sure, I am very glad he is in this position. In addition to that, it is a "first". So he's the buzz in the Black community right now. Just like when Israel was founded 60 years ago, it was the buzz in the Jewish community. It is pride...not "racism" that causes Black Americans to note his race when asked about him. Now what would have been more interesting is if the choice were between a White Democrat...and a Black Repuplican -- then you can argue what factor race really plays. However when the majority of Black Americans are registered Democrats anyway...it's just unbelievable why they are even bringing this issue up (can't you come up with anything better?).
I don't blame Black Americans for being proud of a black presidential candidate, If I were black, I would be also. I am not a Democrat, so I won't be voting that way--but neither will I vote for McCain. I am an Independent. I agree, it is traditional for black people to vote Democratic. Several of my family members do too, as we grew up in an area that voted mainly Democrat. My Dad was a rebel, and refused to vote hhat way, as he thought the Dems had socialistic leanings. He was such a prideful man, that he would rather die than be on the "dole", as they say in England. I, personally, hope for the day when we can have either a 3rd party choice that is big enough to win--or that one of the 2 parties will revamp their image. right now, neither appeal to me. Both--big government.
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Old 06-15-2008, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Race is only an issue to those that want it to be. I've noted that here, I've seen far more individuals on the left brint it up then those on the right.
LOL. Let us count all the Black Supremacist/Barrack Hussein Obama threads posted here, ad nauseaum. The Right is scared to death of Obama, they just can't make up their minds if he is more Malcolm X, Osama Bin Laden, or Stalin. Maybe a scary mix of the three with a dash of Fidel Castro thrown in.

The Perfect Storm.
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Old 06-15-2008, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Most Blacks vote Democrat and most of those smalltown whites in the areas described vote Republican anyways. On the Republican side there were none to choose from, so you can;t really throw the whites that voted for McCain in the mix.

You probably get more Blacks coming out to support Obama this time, and also some whites will vote against him just because of his color.

Overall I am proud of our country that we have reached this point, and I would agree that race will play a back seat to the issues and the vision for taking the country forward.

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Old 06-15-2008, 03:33 PM
 
Location: pittsburgh
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I find it extremely offensive for the original poster to say that Blacks are only voting for Obama because of his race. I do have an idea what he stands for. I watch CNN and MSNBC at least an hour or two a day. I am following the campaign closely. I listen to every word that he has to say. I waited in line for 4 hours to get tickets to hear him speak when he was here in Pittsburgh. I joined his website as well as donated money to his campaign. I also read every email that he sends out to keep his supporters informed on what is happening with the campaign. On top of all of that Im a single hard working mom that donated hours to making phone calls on his behalf and volunteering in his local campaingn office here. Dont insult our intelligence. There are a lot of us that understand what he stands for.
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Old 06-15-2008, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Who is coming up with false internet rumors about 'whitey' statements? Not leftists, for sure.
I believe it was Larry Johnson, a Hill&Bill supporter and a democrat who started the rumor. Bob Beckel, another democrat, uttered on Fox News about a "shoe to drop" on Michelle.

All democrats.
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