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Old 06-17-2008, 05:43 PM
 
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^^ummm, okay. so which is it? the 100 years in Iraq with Obama or the premature withdrawal without considering the consequenses?
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Old 06-18-2008, 07:35 AM
 
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Either/or fallacy. I choose neither.
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Old 06-22-2008, 08:22 AM
 
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ZNet - Obama Stop War?

Article: Will Obama Stop the War?
by Anthony Arnove, SocialistWorker.org--another Socialist-Communist group supporting the Socialist Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.


"People who believe Barack Obama will end the occupation of Iraq are likely in for a rude awakening. Despite talking about weithdrawal from Iraq, his plan would kee4p troops in the country for years to come, likely well beyond his ptential first term.

Obama says that he will "have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. But "combat brigades" only make up about half of the troops in Iraq.

In addition to the mercenaries and private contractors, that wouled leave tens of thousands of troops involved in so called counterinsurgency operations. That's the same rationale the Bush administration uses for keeping troops in Iraq. Other troops would stay for "training" operations. This, too, is the Bush argument: we'll stand down as the Iraquis stand up."

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Old 06-22-2008, 08:58 AM
 
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I am completely happy with Obama consulting with military and determining the future course of action in Iraq, looking for a phased withdrawal of troops that makes sense.

Not like Bush who just replaced his top generals when they made suggestions he did not like to hear. McCain does not even understand the difference between Sunni and Shiite and who is al-qaeda and who is not and whom Iran supports and whom they do not. He would just be creating more of the same blunders we have all seen.

If people think somehow the Army and Marines have unlimited resources to stay on at this pace for years to come in the Middle East, you are sadly misinformed. Gates has been looking for 2 brigades to "surge" in Afghanistan. Problem is they do not exist. Every unit we have today is gearing up for deployment, deployed, or just back from deployment. There is no time for troop training or equipment maintenance in the regular cycles required. I see Obama as able to address this reality with military commanders and make decisions that reflect it. If he decides that more units need to be switched from Iraq back to the original threat of Afghanistan where bin laden is still recruiting today, I would be ok with that too.
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Old 06-22-2008, 09:15 AM
 
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Obama has enough common sense to end the war, and save the American middle-class from total collapse.

McCain is another war-president wannabe, as bad, or worse than the Shrub - for sure he would continue to feed Americas wealth to the military-industrial complex.
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Old 06-22-2008, 12:30 PM
 
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georgia dem, so which is it? the 100 years in Iraq with Obama or the premature withdrawal without considering the consequenses?
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Old 06-22-2008, 12:51 PM
 
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I'm not that sure what Barack Obama will do much now, after I heard McCain say that Barack Obama sign a paper that he will participate in publican financing and now went opposite of not just what he said, but sign to McCain wanting him to join in his decision.

I'm a undecided voter
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Old 06-22-2008, 12:51 PM
 
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His voting record says other wise

His record shows that he strongly disaproves with the war and his track record shows that he will pull out
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:28 PM
 
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His voting record says other wise

His record shows that he strongly disaproves with the war and his track record shows that he will pull out
Barack Hussein Obama Jenior has changed his opinion on getting out of Iraq more times than you have changed your undies! And his opinion stinks just as bad as your undies!

The only thing that's consistant about his view on leaving Iraq is his mantra "Change!" because he is liable to "change" his position again!

IN 2004 yes he strongly disapproved of the war. Correct! Give the man a shiny nickel!

But wait! In one of his most recent speeches he said that he woiuld remove the combat troops in 16 months (combat troops make up less than half of our forces) but expected a continued presence in Iraq for an indefinite time. THAT'S WHAT McCAIN IS SAYING TOO!
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:39 PM
 
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georgia dem, so which is it? the 100 years in Iraq with Obama or the premature withdrawal without considering the consequenses?
oops. i meant Major Minor, not georgia dem. sorry.
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