McCain, Obama & Paul (president, Bill Clinton, economic, government)

[KantLockeMeIn]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

Just this alone would cause him to be slaughtered in a national contest.

Based upon the overall ignorance of the average voter, I have to agree with you. If it were based upon intelligent discussions, it would be a different story.

[bale002]

Originally Posted by Fun2Day

I would rather not waste a vote on a libertarian since they have 0% chance of winning in November and would focus my vote on either J. McCain or B. Hussein Obama... whichever is the LEAST HARMFUL and has the most ideas close to mine.

What say you??

That's about my strategy.

In my view, however, since I prefer McCain over Obama (unless Obama makes repeated, unequivocal, and very and loud clear - with spreadsheet numbers - vows on taxation policy on national television during interviews and debates that I agree with) and I live in a state where McCain has a better chance of winning, then it may make sense to write in Ron Paul.

By voting the republicrat/demorepub McCain/Obama, we acknowledge, among other things, that suicidal monetary policy is okay, and that suicidal taxation policy on top of that may be okay too.

By writing in Ron Paul, one has the hope, however faint, of sending the message that current suicidal monetary policy and potentially suicidal fiscal policy are not okay, and at the same time of maintaining some sort of integrity.

Nonetheless, voting for the lesser of the two evils, under most circumstances, is perfectly understandable as a personal self-defense move: better to have one arm cut off than both, I suppose.

Remember that it is a two-headed monster with gnashing teeth, but with one body and a big appetite.

[GigiBowman]

Nobody said it better:
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[nat_at772]

Originally Posted by Ira500

Either J. McCain or B. Hussein Obama... whichever is the LEAST HARMFUL and has the most ideas close to mine.


Just wondering why you mentioned Obama's middle name? Is this a name he picked or one that he was born with? Are you trying to suggest that he is Muslim and therefore a supporter of terrorism? Do people's names infer what kind of ideas they have? Just askin'?

I think they say his middle name so we'll all think about Saddam Hussein and it'll make us quiver with fear. Kinda like the hyena in the Lion King, although since they were hyenas they were laughing

Otherwise, he would have said J. McCain and B. Obama but that wouldn't have been much fun.

[SALteacher]

Originally Posted by Fun2Day

Paul is running for his US House seat again. He is no longer in the Presidential Race.

Bob Barr is... but is that an alternative?!?! Barr and Nader are a thorn on the side of each party.... Barr hurts the GOP and Nader hurts the Dems.

I would rather not waste a vote on a libertarian since they have 0% chance of winning in November and would focus my vote on either J. McCain or B. Hussein Obama... whichever is the LEAST HARMFUL and has the most ideas close to mine.

What say you??

With all due respect I say you're wrong. Voting for Barr IMO isn't wasting a vote. Voting for the person whom you believe shares your values and positions is never a wasted vote. I wish people would understand that. I find that it turns my stomach whenever I hear that we "have to choose between the lesser of two evils" B.S.!! With the lesser of two evils you're still left with evil. Who needs that? For too long Americans have had to choose between the lesser of two evils. How about the American voter for a change casting a ballot for the person they truly believe is that right person for the job? What a concept Sorry to rant, but you asked.




Bar none. It's Bob Barr for president 08

[LibertyandJusticeforAll]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

I disagree, it is easy for an opponent to demonize Paul from statements he has made about the Civil War and other federal actions to promote equality. Also, he is an easy target due to his support from "marginal" (i.e. - skinhead type) organizations.

Not labeling Paul as a bigot at all here, but these issues are easy for an opponent to effectively use against him.

Just this alone would cause him to be slaughtered in a national contest.

Did you ever notice when someone wants to destroy you they use race. Even if your black. Hillary did it with Obama and his church and etc etc. I find it funny how this continues to be a part of the issue.
Ron Pauls comments on the Civil War, lets look at them shall we.
"Every other nation in the world ended slavery without blood shed and thousands of men dying." Ron Paul was stating there might have been another solution to the problem other then the civil war. Show how he is a racist because he knows his history and has read up on Lincoln and his writings. I still think the Civil War as needed but it's to bad clear heads didnt win the battle of the idealogy.

Ron Paul and any other canidate who suggest limited Federal government and free speech and is white will get the "racist crowds" from time to time. I'm sure their are alot of black nationalist and black racist supporting obama. I'm sure there is a large portion of Malcom X supports and Luis Farcan supports voting for Obama. I'm sure McCain will throw that one out there soon enough or it will just leak into the press somehow.

When you say your against a war, for individual liberty and responsiblity and limited government you are doomed because americans have been brainwashed to accept welfare, big government and war propoganda.
The media will take every opportunity it can to demonize you because they support the war, the big government and socialism state.

[NewToCA]

Originally Posted by LibertyandJusticeforAll

Ron Paul and any other canidate who suggest limited Federal government and free speech and is white will get the "racist crowds" from time to time. I'm sure their are alot of black nationalist and black racist supporting obama. I'm sure there is a large portion of Malcom X supports and Luis Farcan supports voting for Obama. I'm sure McCain will throw that one out there soon enough or it will just leak into the press somehow.

When you say your against a war, for individual liberty and responsiblity and limited government you are doomed because americans have been brainwashed to accept welfare, big government and war propoganda.
The media will take every opportunity it can to demonize you because they support the war, the big government and socialism state.

That's just part of the way you gain support, demonize the opponent.

It isn't unique to Paul, it happens to many folks running for office. In his case though, it is very easy to put together a package of his statements (as sound bites) and support groups to rally support against his candidacy.

My main point though is that should the folks who support the idea of limited federal involvement want to gain support over time, this isn't the candidate who will get much national sympathy for this position.

[LibertyandJusticeforAll]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

That's just part of the way you gain support, demonize the opponent.

It isn't unique to Paul, it happens to many folks running for office. In his case though, it is very easy to put together a package of his statements (as sound bites) and support groups to rally support against his candidacy.

My main point though is that should the folks who support the idea of limited federal involvement want to gain support over time, this isn't the candidate who will get much national sympathy for this position.

Yes and did you notice Ron Paul never demonized his opponents. Even Ron Paul supporters never demonized peoples race or religion. Sure we would demonize the idealogy and political views of the US policies that is what your suppose to discuss.

[nat_at772]

Originally Posted by SALteacher

With all due respect I say you're wrong. Voting for Barr IMO isn't wasting a vote. Voting for the person whom you believe shares your values and positions is never a wasted vote. I wish people would understand that. I find that it turns my stomach whenever I hear that we "have to choose between the lesser of two evils" B.S.!! With the lesser of two evils you're still left with evil. Who needs that? For too long Americans have had to choose between the lesser of two evils. How about the American voter for a change casting a ballot for the person they truly believe is that right person for the job? What a concept Sorry to rant, but you asked.




Bar none. It's Bob Barr for president 08

Pardon my ignorance, but if Paul or Barr get a large number of write-in votes at the polls won't that split the Rep. vote and ensure a Obama wins? I'm not trying to be a smart ass (for once) but that’s what people were speculating would happen if Clinton ran as an independent, so I’m just curious.

[jmarquise]

Originally Posted by natalayjones

Pardon my ignorance, but if Paul or Barr get a large number of write-in votes at the polls won't that split the Rep. vote and ensure a Obama wins? I'm not trying to be a smart ass (for once) but that’s what people were speculating would happen if Clinton ran as an independent, so I’m just curious.

both of them will take votes from both candidates. the biggest issue this election is probably iraq. mccain supports the war, paul, barr, and obama don't. that would mean that the libertarians might take more votes from obama. both paul and barr believe that people should be able to do what they want. the only difference between paul/barr, and obama, is that obama believes in out of control taxation and spending while the other two believe in a balanced budget.