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Old 06-24-2008, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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If simple party registration is not relevant, then the identification of people within the poll shouldn't matter, correct?
Of course it's relevant and it matters. The object is to attain a representative sample of a given segment of the population, ie registered voters, likely voters.

To skew the poll in favor of a democrat by almost 2-1, as did the newsweek poll, is NOT representative of the country based on past elections and census data. Where else would the data come from?

Obama holds 12-point lead over McCain, poll finds - Los Angeles Times
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Polls are just reflecting this lead in party identification for the Democrats.
So..they determine the party identity of a given poll by taking another poll?

Wow..that makes so much sense to me.
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:25 PM
 
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So..they determine the party identity of a given poll by taking another poll?

Wow..that makes so much sense to me.

Well , it should then give you something "meaningless" to "ponder"...




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Old 06-24-2008, 09:25 PM
 
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Of course it's relevant and it matters. The object is to attain a representative sample of a given segment of the population, ie registered voters, likely voters.

To skew the poll in favor of a democrat by almost 2-1, as did the newsweek poll, is NOT representative of the country based on past elections and census data. Where else would the data come from?

Obama holds 12-point lead over McCain, poll finds - Los Angeles Times
Of course the purpose is to gain a representative segment. My point is that the skewed number of democrats as compared to republicans reflects a recent shift in party registration toward democrats. Voter registration numbers also reflect this trend. You seemed to suggest that voter registration numbers were irrelevant because people could cross-over vote which I then pointed out invalidated your initial concern.

If party registration is irrelevant, then the party of identification of people within the poll is also irrelevant and your concern is moot.
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:25 PM
 
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Sounds like they have problems finding folks who will admit to being republicans . . .
Not at all the case, full logs of who's registered Dem/Rep/Ind is available at any county election office.

If they wanted to find Republicans, its very easily done with just a phone call.
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:29 PM
 
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Not at all the case, full logs of who's registered Dem/Rep/Ind is available at any county election office.

If they wanted to find Republicans, its very easily done with just a phone call.
Polls (well at least scientific polls) are done through random samples. Going to the election office and collecting an equal amount of republican and democratic voters to poll would not be reflective of the area's potential leanings and certainly wouldn't be statistically accurate.
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:40 PM
 
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This poll was conducted with only liberal loons being counted.

Wake up from your dream people.

People now the republicans are on top of all key issues and that is what counts.

Obama the tax monger even makes Castro look appealing as a leader.

None of the republicans I talk to will ever vote for a democrat, they dont like McCain is some cases but they wont allow these dems to continue to destroy our economy like they have since 06.

Rep party holds their people accountable, the dems dont. Dems will vote for anyone at anytime no matter who or what they think or do. Rep wont do that.
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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OK Sunshine, if you say so.
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:44 PM
 
Location: los angeles
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Thumbs down Republicans . . . nasty dog food

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The Republican brand is so bad right now that if it were a dog food, they'd take it off the shelf," Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (Va.), March 13, 2008


The polling is definitely finding that former Republicans are now registering as independents & even Democratic. Governor Schwarzenegger has repeatedily warned other Republicans with this statement last year:

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"In movie terms, we are dying at the box office".


These are Republicans calling it as it is: "nasty dog food"
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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My point is that the skewed number of democrats as compared to republicans reflects a recent shift in party registration toward democrats. Voter registration numbers also reflect this trend.
Where is this shift reflected? Where are the numbers that back it up? Both parties have increased their voter registration.

Have the pollsters gone state by state and determined the new party registration? Is there a federal database (other than the 2004 & 2000) elections that shows that much of a trend towards the democrats?

Where is the concrete evidence (actual statistics, please) of this "recent shift".

It can't just come from another poll. It can't just be a "feeling".

Any person with a hint of objectivity can determine this poll is biased toward a democrat. The numbers are right there to see. Based on elections and census data, which is all they have to go on, there is no justification for a 2-1 democrat advantage.
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