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Old 06-26-2008, 11:11 PM
 
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In an Atlantic article written in the early days of the Dem primaries, conservative/libertarian author Andrew Sullivan* talks in detail about what divides us and why an Obama presidency could be the best opportunity for the country to begin to heal those divisions. This speculative thought-piece is along the same lines of Gary Hart's "America's Next Chapter" in the NYT (also a thread topic posted 6/25 in this forum).

"The logic behind the candidacy of Barack Obama is not, in the end, about Barack Obama. It has little to do with his policy proposals, which are very close to his Democratic rivals’ and which, with a few exceptions, exist firmly within the conventions of our politics. It has little to do with Obama’s considerable skills as a conciliator, legislator, or even thinker. It has even less to do with his ideological pedigree or legal background or rhetorical skills.

"[T]he most persuasive case for Obama has less to do with him than with the moment he is meeting. The moment has been a long time coming, and it is the result of a confluence of events, from one traumatizing war in Southeast Asia to another in the most fractious country in the Middle East. The legacy is a cultural climate that stultifies our politics and corrupts our discourse.

"Obama’s candidacy in this sense is a potentially transformational one. Unlike any of the other candidates, he could take America—finally—past the debilitating, self-perpetuating family quarrel of the Baby Boom generation that has long engulfed all of us. So much has happened in America in the past seven years, let alone the past 40, that we can be forgiven for focusing on the present and the immediate future. But it is only when you take several large steps back into the long past that the full logic of an Obama presidency stares directly—and uncomfortably—at you."

Goodbye to All That: Why Obama Matters

* Andrew Sullivan's "political philosophy includes a broad range of traditional conservative positions: He favors a flat tax, limited government, privatization of social security, and a strong military, and he opposes welfare state programs such as socialized medicine....For the general election Sullivan says he will wait and see whether to endorse Obama or Senator John McCain." - wikipedia

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Old 06-27-2008, 01:14 AM
 
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It isn't a popularity contest or beauty pageant, I do agree Obama would win both but it does all come back to "issues" which people on this forum barely touches upon. Sullivan is correct we do need bipartisanship and a new found thinking, that of perhaps "Up and Down" rather than Left and Right. The deep schism of Left and Right is too deep and destructive, ie. read any thread on this forum. Obama is too far on the left to be able to achieve bipartisanship, although I don't think McCain will be able to fully achieve bipartisanship either, his McCain-Feingold Act, McCain-Lieberman stwardships act, McCain-Kennedy Bill all display promise of crossing party lines. I myself will wait to endorse Obama or McCain depending on the VP spot, to me they are still lesser of two evils and, perhaps looking into the future is more valuable than the present and the VP spot is nonetheless the most prominent to become the next-next (maybe next) president.

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Old 06-27-2008, 05:53 AM
 
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I Google-searched the title of this Sullivan article and evidently it's well known - even noted here and there as seminal. It was published first in Jan. 2008 and was commented upon or cited in many pieces back then. Among dozens of interesting points of view the search afforded me is this sincere deconstruction by Bob Avakian of the Revolutionary Communist Party of America. (Surprise - they don't like Obama either!)

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