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He appears to have surpassed him on many levels. This is not to say Senator Obama is more of a person - they are men and were created equal, I believe he can learn a lot from the President's experiences.
I agree that he can learn a lot - Clinton is a brilliant guy and a strategist and a half. And Obama can certainly learn from his mistakes!
I hope they get along. I dont see Obama spending a lot of time with that Carville-type old Democrat crowd, though.
Though Clinton's campaigning was limited, Gore in 2000.
How soon we forget. Gore rejected Clinton in terms of campaigning, since he (Gore) thought Clinton was a liability based on the numerous scandals within the WH.
After Gore lost, Clinton chastised Gore for not letting him campaign for him - telling him he should have won based on his record.
Gore didn't take kindly to that and blamed Clintons, er, indiscretions for the loss.
How soon we forget. Gore rejected Clinton in terms of campaigning, since he (Gore) thought Clinton was a liability based on the numerous scandals within the WH.
After Gore lost, Clinton chastised Gore for not letting him campaign for him - telling him he should have won based on his record.
Gore didn't take kindly to that and blamed Clintons, er, indiscretions for the loss.
I said his campaigning was "limited" which was a mistake by Gore. Clinton, for all his difficulties, left with the highest end of office approval rating of any president since WW II. Compare that to the abysmal ratings of Bush the Terrible.
Look at the time he did spend with people he choose to be around.
Do you mean...Tony Rezko? TR was tried and convicted and not a single bit of dirt was found connecting Obama to Rezko's illegal activities. The governor of Illinois was implicated for Pete's sake - you know those prosecutors dug frantically and deep to connect Obama in any possible way, to anything. There was nothing.
You should read that NYer article "Making It" - you'll learn how small the world of Chicago politics is, plus it traces the Rezko connection from day one. (And it's an excellent, nonpartisan article just by itself.)
Do you mean...Rev. Wright? Show me anything in any part of Obama's platform that shows the faintest glimmer of RW's influence. Anything, go ahead.
Do you mean William Ayers and the fact that they were both on the board of the Woods Fund? Been covered to death on this forum and Im sick of typing and linking for people. Short answer - show me anything in Obama's platform that shows the influence of the Weathermen, or anything that indicates he has political connections with WA. Here again that "Making It" article could help you see the facts more clearly.
President Clinton didn't leave us prepared? What was he thinking?
he was thinkn' with the wrong head as he was distracted in the oval office with interns and secretaries and anything else in a skirt
maybe that's why Hillary only wears those pants suits so Bill will leave her alone
Do you mean...Tony Rezko? TR was tried and convicted and not a single bit of dirt was found connecting Obama to Rezko's illegal activities. The governor of Illinois was implicated for Pete's sake - you know those prosecutors dug frantically and deep to connect Obama in any possible way, to anything. There was nothing.
I saw that. I also saw everyone around him being corrupt...even if arguebly he wasn't himself. Would he be where he is without the corruption?
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You should read that NYer article "Making It" - you'll learn how small the world of Chicago politics is, plus it traces the Rezko connection from day one. (And it's an excellent, nonpartisan article just by itself.)
I will read it. I think you elduded to this in another thread also.
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Do you mean...Rev. Wright? Show me anything in any part of Obama's platform that shows the faintest glimmer of RW's influence. Anything, go ahead.
Yes. 20 years is all you need. I don't know if your religious. But religion get's to the very core value of people. If someone listened to the teachings of Mr. Wright and stayed 20 years that speaks volumes. Not till it became a problem for his political campaign did he decide for a "change"
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Do you mean William Ayers and the fact that they were both on the board of the Woods Fund? Been covered to death on this forum and Im sick of typing and linking for people. Short answer - show me anything in Obama's platform that shows the influence of the Weathermen, or anything that indicates he has political connections with WU. Here again that "Making It" article could help you see the facts more clearly.
This is obviously a good thing for Obama. I think if he can get the Clintons in full support and show their support is genuine, a lot of people may make the leap off the fence onto the Obama side.
Im sure both of them will end up in his cabinet in some format, which again would be another good thing.
I saw that. I also saw everyone around him being corrupt...
"Everyone" who, Rezko?
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even if arguebly he wasn't himself. Would he be where he is without the corruption?
Yes! He's not connected!
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Yes. 20 years is all you need. I don't know if your religious. But religion get's to the very core value of people. If someone listened to the teachings of Mr. Wright and stayed 20 years that speaks volumes. Not till it became a problem for his political campaign did he decide for a "change"
Show me any quote, video, political plank of Obama's that shows the "G* D*mn America" influence.
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Let me get back to you after reading your link.
I know I've linked to that article quite a bit - I do think it would help people see who this guy is so they can stop speculating. I hope you enjoy it.
This is obviously a good thing for Obama. I think if he can get the Clintons in full support and show their support is genuine, a lot of people may make the leap off the fence onto the Obama side.
Im sure both of them will end up in his cabinet in some format, which again would be another good thing.
I dont know...I think they're part of the old days and they have this lingering smell of corruption about them (just my opinion). I suppose they've worked out a deal to pay Hillary's bills.
But Bill will be a good fundraiser if he wants to be - though he sure didnt help Hillary much - and Hillary - I dont know. I hope she'll campaign earnestly and convincingly. Earn that $10M.
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