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Old 07-20-2008, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/wo...er&oref=slogin

Excellent news! The pieces are falling into place.
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Old 07-20-2008, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/wo...er&oref=slogin

Excellent news! The pieces are falling into place.
Tell that to the 4123 confirmed US dead, the 30,324 wounded, many disabled for life.


How many years has it been now? How many excuses have we been given for invading the wrong country?

iCasualties: Iraq Coalition Casualty Count (http://icasualties.org/oif/ - broken link)
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Old 07-20-2008, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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But surely you must be a little bit happy that the murderous dictator is gone, that the Iraqi's have had elections, that the military is finally able to take control over much of their own country, that finally political reconciliation is happening.

All that is wonderful news for an DEMOCRATIC Iraq that is a stable force in the region, a friend and ally, no longer a menace to it's neighbors or the world.

Not even a little bit?

That we are finally at the stage where the actions set in motion by "W" are finally accomplishing great, great results.

That's right!! Good news for "W", America, the troops and the Iraqi's is BAD NEWS FOR THE DEMS/LIBS, isn't it?

How must it feel to get up everyday and ROOT for bad things to happen for political gain?
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Old 07-20-2008, 09:15 PM
 
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Tell that to the 4123 confirmed US dead, the 30,324 wounded, many disabled for life.


How many years has it been now? How many excuses have we been given for invading the wrong country?

iCasualties: Iraq Coalition Casualty Count (http://icasualties.org/oif/ - broken link)
The poster you quoted does not care at all about the dead, maimed, those wheel-chair bound for life, the broken families, loss of jobs and incomes, mental problems or any other sacrifices our troops made because she's safe and that's ALL that matters to her.


She's so happy about what happened in Iraq ...what we did for the Iraqis...and to hell with our troops.


Now the irony
she hates Muslims (scared to death Obama may be one )




and Iraq is 97% MUSLIM......



Can she give a LOGICAL explanation for that...I doubt it....
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Old 07-20-2008, 09:41 PM
 
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But surely you must be a little bit happy that the murderous dictator is gone, that the Iraqi's have had elections, that the military is finally able to take control over much of their own country, that finally political reconciliation is happening.
That's really great and all, but I don't accept what the Iraq war has done to a lot of my friends and family who've felt some of the worst of the war's consequences. Maybe that makes me selfish.

But there are a lot of people suffering under dictatorships and oppression around the world, some in far worse states than pre-2003 Iraqis were living. If its our task to run around the globe freeing people and toppling evil men, why are there so many places in which democracy is only a faint glimmer? Why did we pick Iraq to "liberate"? Why not North Korea?

Do the ends really justify the means?
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Old 07-20-2008, 10:18 PM
 
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  • The United States Is Advancing Democracy Around The World. To win the War on Terror, the United States is supporting the growth of democratic movements and institutions that offer an alternative to the hatred and fear espoused by the terrorists. Millions turned out to vote in Iraq and Afghanistan after decades of tyranny, and Afghanistan inaugurated its new freely and fairly elected legislature just this past week. This year, the world has witnessed democratic revolutions in Georgia, Lebanon, Ukraine, and Kyrgyzstan. By advancing the cause of liberty and freedom, America is giving millions an alternative to intolerance and violence and ensuring security for future generations.
  • The United States Is Pursuing A Comprehensive Strategy For Victory In Iraq. To strengthen security, the Coalition and Iraqi security forces are clearing out areas controlled by the enemy, working with Iraqi forces to hold that territory, and following up with targeted reconstruction to help Iraqis rebuild their lives. America is helping Iraqis build inclusive democratic institutions that protect all Iraqis, engage those who can be persuaded to join the new Iraq and marginalize those who never will. The Coalition is working with Iraqis to help them build capable and effective Iraqi security forces so that Iraqis can secure their own country. Economically, America is helping the Iraqis restore infrastructure, reform their economy, and build the economic framework that will give all Iraqis a stake in a free and peaceful Iraq
This was back in 2005 to remind people who quickly forgot.

Fact Sheet: President Bush's Accomplishments in 2005

Does the end justifies the means is an opinionated question and you will get 100 different answers.
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Old 07-20-2008, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Wonderful. Time to get out then.
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Old 07-20-2008, 11:22 PM
 
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I guess you haven't been watching the news.
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Old 07-21-2008, 07:50 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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But surely you must be a little bit happy that the murderous dictator is gone, that the Iraqi's have had elections, that the military is finally able to take control over much of their own country, that finally political reconciliation is happening.
How does this benefit America? That 'murderous dictator' NEVER attacked the US and was an enemy of al Qaeda, keeping Iraq far freer of them than since he was deposed.


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All that is wonderful news for an DEMOCRATIC Iraq that is a stable force in the region, a friend and ally, no longer a menace to it's neighbors or the world.
Once again, how does that benefit America? Does Iraq being democratic not mean they are free to make their own choice? What guarantee is there the Shiias and Sunnis don't unite against a common enemy, the US? What guarantee is there Iraq won't choose to align itself with its Islamic neighbor, Iran?

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How must it feel to get up everyday and ROOT for bad things to happen for political gain?
Many BAD things have already happened with little/no indication of long term benefit to the US.
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:08 AM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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While I don't think we needed to go to Iraq in the first place, I'm glad that things are coming back together. At least it means we're closer to ending our involvement there. No things weren't going well, but now they are, and I'm thankful for that.
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