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07-27-2008, 08:43 PM
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Why is he taking pictures of dead Marines anyway? So he can make money. It's not always about censorship, sometimes it's about having a little respect. We already know they are dead, do you really need to see a picture of it to understand what happened?
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07-27-2008, 08:47 PM
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Why is he taking pictures of dead Marines anyway? So he can make money. It's not always about censorship, sometimes it's about having a little respect. We already know they are dead, do you really need to see a picture of it to understand what happened?
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Absolutely and unequivocally. We back home can little comprehend what horrors result from war, when we so casually call for it, and need pictures like that to ground us back to reality.
Pictures like that were widely viewed during the Vietnam, and they are a powerful motivator for turning public opinion away from that sorrowful mess. |
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07-27-2008, 08:49 PM
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Location: Chicagoland
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There you have it folks. The "liberal media" elected President Bush.
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Their tactics and bias fell short, but they certainly tried. |
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07-27-2008, 08:49 PM
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Location: Arizona
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The Bush administration has always pushed censorship. Hiding any pictures of the coffins returning home. Not allowing any of the pictures of the real death and destruction to seep into the American homes. Just the daily kill and wounded count. Like a big video game. The imbdedded journalists were basically no more than cheerleaders during the initial drive into Iraq. American media all around is pretty lame. I find foreign journalism to provide much more in-depth coverage.
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07-27-2008, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bily4
The Bush administration has always pushed censorship. Hiding any pictures of the coffins returning home. Not allowing any of the pictures of the real death and destruction to seep into the American homes. Just the daily kill and wounded count. Like a big video game. The imbdedded journalists were basically no more than cheerleaders during the initial drive into Iraq. American media all around is pretty lame. I find foreign journalism to provide much more in-depth coverage.
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"In the past, the arrival ceremony at Dover has been public, as it was in 1983 when President Reagan received the bodies of more than 240 Marines killed in Lebanon. But for the last two-and-a-half years the Pentagon has strictly enforced a policy originally enacted in 1991 that forbids news media coverage of the return of the fallen. That prohibition was broken this past week when pictures surfaced of both the preparations to return American dead and ceremonies greeting their arrival at Dover. "
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/media...ages_4-23.html
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07-27-2008, 09:10 PM
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Location: Arizona
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"In the past, the arrival ceremony at Dover has been public, as it was in 1983 when President Reagan received the bodies of more than 240 Marines killed in Lebanon. But for the last two-and-a-half years the Pentagon has strictly enforced a policy originally enacted in 1991 that forbids news media coverage of the return of the fallen. That prohibition was broken this past week when pictures surfaced of both the preparations to return American dead and ceremonies greeting their arrival at Dover. "
Online NewsHour: Images of War -- April 23, 2004
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Actually military ceremonies for the dead happened frequently through the Clinton years and with the early Afghanistan years.
It was only when the dead began to really start to pile up in Iraq that the ban was enacted in force.
I]In March, on the eve of the Iraq war, a directive arrived from the Pentagon at U.S. military bases. "There will be no arrival ceremonies for, or media coverage of, deceased military personnel returning to or departing from Ramstein [Germany] airbase or Dover [Del.] base, to include interim stops," the Defense Department said, referring to the major ports for the returning remains.
A Pentagon spokeswoman said the military-wide policy actually dates from about November 2000 -- the last days of the Clinton administration -- but it apparently went unheeded and unenforced, as images of caskets returning from the Afghanistan war appeared on television broadcasts and in newspapers until early this year [2003]. Though Dover Air Force Base, which has the military's largest mortuary, has had restrictions for 12 years, others "may not have been familiar with the policy," the spokeswoman said. This year, "we've really tried to enforce it."" [/i]
iraq: [Dover AFB Casket Photos Controversey]
Mr. Grassley noted that the policy had been in place since the first Bush administration, in 1991. ''This policy has been in place for 13 years,'' he said. ''Nobody has raised a complaint about it until now.''
But the policy has not been consistently followed; President Bill Clinton took part in numerous ceremonies honoring dead servicemen.
Senate Backs Ban on Photos Of G.I. Coffins - New York Times |
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07-27-2008, 09:11 PM
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How does a flag-draped coffin invade on privacy when there is no way to identify the casualty?
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07-27-2008, 09:15 PM
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Big surprise we have a different opinion. Personally I'd rather see pictures of the dead marines when they were alive so I have a sense of who they were and what they gave up for the rest of us, whether you agree with the war or not. If it bleeds, it leads I guess.
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07-27-2008, 09:16 PM
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Location: Seattle
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Originally Posted by pstratt
Why is he taking pictures of dead Marines anyway? So he can make money. It's not always about censorship, sometimes it's about having a little respect. We already know they are dead, do you really need to see a picture of it to understand what happened?
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great point, the media shouldn't take pictures or get video of news events. |
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07-27-2008, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pstratt
Big surprise we have a different opinion. Personally I'd rather see pictures of the dead marines when they were alive so I have a sense of who they were and what they gave up for the rest of us, whether you agree with the war or not. If it bleeds, it leads I guess.
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I guess we do have a difference of opinion. I want unrestricted access for reporters to warzones, unless it compromises opsec.
Images of war are some of the most powerful and influential that can be taken.
Imagine if we didn't have this?
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