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Old 08-22-2008, 01:53 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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HAHA okay so now a Report from The United States Senate is not good enough proof that Bush LIED??? It's clear that you simply choose to cut yourself off from truth and reason.
Hehe. Cut myself? Have you looked at the report. Let's. Here is some of what you submit:

"There is no question that Iraq possesses biological and chemical weapons and that he seeks to acquire additional weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons. That is not in debate." – Sen Christopher Dodd, dem presidential candidate

"We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." – Sen John Edwards, dem presidential candidate

"Almost no one disagrees with these basic facts: that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a menace; that he has weapons of mass destruction and that he is doing everything in his power to get nuclear weapons; that he has supported terrorists; that he is a grave threat to the region, to vital allies like Israel, and to the United States; and that he is thwarting the will of the international community and undermining the UN’s credibility." – Sen John Edwards, dem presidential candidate


"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorist, including al-Qaida members." – Sen Hillary Clinton, dem presidential candidate (and majority primary vote getter.)

And what I love. Your report. . . the report that you use to conclude Bush lied states:

The reports essentially validate that. . . . the policymakers’ statements were substantiated by the intelligence. . . it was the intelligence that was faulty.

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I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about whether the WORLD is a better place - which includes, but is not limited to our own economic situations.
NBC/WSJ poll: Voters say they’re worse off - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com
don't be a lemming. . . . I'm not asking what other's think. Has your own economic situation gone horribly south since Pelosi took control of Congress?
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Old 08-22-2008, 01:58 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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. . . I don't disagree 2004 was rocking and home sales were higher than ever before. See the link I posted about home sales. It's a relative comment.....if your up $2000 in 2004 but only up $1900 in 2008 then in the business world you lost money.....even if overall your still $1900 ahead.....and if you look at the corection in the curve after the bubble bust we are still slightly ahead of what was expected without any bubbles or recessions. . . . .
One could argue that a correction in home prices permits those previously unable to buy a home, get one. Or a larger one and be better off.

Not to say anything could always be better but the media has beat this economy into the ground and people begin to believe it. As they believe it's getting warmer each year.
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:10 AM
 
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One could argue that a correction in home prices permits those previously unable to buy a home, get one. Or a larger one and be better off.

Not to say anything could always be better but the media has beat this economy into the ground and people begin to believe it. As they believe it's getting warmer each year.
Whooaaa not to get off topic here, but are you saying you "don't believe" in the climate crisis and global warming?
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:45 AM
 
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Whooaaa not to get off topic here, but are you saying you "don't believe" in the climate crisis and global warming?
Amazing, isn't it? As if anyone has anything to gain by perpetuating some grand myth.

Science just ain't as sexy as it used to be.......
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:57 AM
 
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Amazing, isn't it? As if anyone has anything to gain by perpetuating some grand myth.

Science just ain't as sexy as it used to be.......

Do those people still believe the earth is flat too?
WOW that is so scary.
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Old 08-25-2008, 09:01 AM
 
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They might. After all, that chick on The View said she wasn't sure if the world was flat or not!!!!!!
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Old 08-25-2008, 10:21 AM
 
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It is stupid question to begin with. Of course human "life" begins at conception the same as any other form of life does. The question should be when does mere "life" become a "person"? A fetus at 1 day old is NOT a person. It is a clump of cells just like the fetus of a dog, a cat or a fertilized egg. And no, we do not know the precise moment that a human fetus becomes a human person.
Exactly, it's a question that cannot be answered by any human being...at least he's got the wisdom not to act superhuman and decide that for the rest of us. I couldn't answer the question either...I have no idea...yet I'm pro-choice.

He can certainly lead. Good leaders see the shades of grey.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:36 AM
 
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Amazing, isn't it? As if anyone has anything to gain by perpetuating some grand myth.

Science just ain't as sexy as it used to be.......

The myth being portrayed is that the science from Gore is rock solid. No one disagree we can do things to help the environment. The disagreement is if humans are the cause of it. There is credible evidence that points to both us being involved and not being involved. Do your research Mr. Gore has be debunked many times by many different sources.

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Old 08-25-2008, 11:48 AM
 
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The myth being portrayed is that the science from Gore is rock solid. No one disagree we can do things to help the environment. The disagreement is if humans are the cause of it. There is credible evidence that points to both us being involved and not being involved. Do your research Mr. Gore has be debunked many times.
It isn't Gore's science. He happens to be a high-profile spokesperson for this cause - and the science behind it.

It's widely accepted now that humans and man-made pollution are largely to blame for Global warming.
As far back as 2002:
"The US Government has acknowledged for the first time that man-made pollution is largely to blame for global warming."
BBC NEWS | Americas | Humans cause global warming, US admits

When you look at the world we live in, it's pretty clear that technology and many other advances (while they've been good on many levels) are surely not what nature intended and there of course would be repercussions for that.
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Old 08-25-2008, 02:07 PM
 
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Climate Cooling, the Other Side of Climate Change Science: Global Cooling
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