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i think it's great that just one issue can ward off so many religious folk.. that's called standing up for what you believe is right. not alot of ppl do it anymore. many, many people feel strongly against the killing of babies, and will not support it no matter what other things can be gained as a result.
Point taken. However, I see it as standing up for what is right on abortion, but standing for what is wrong in every other arena by doing so. I don't mean to sound like I am asking a question, then arguing with those that disagree. I just had to respond.
On a separate but similar note, I am sick of the Republican party being seen and hyped as Christian and the Democratic party being seen/hyped as worldly. I'm sorry, but let's look at this. Christianity is neither conservative captalism or socialism. It's not democratic or republican. It is not even democracy, as much as that might offend some. I sometimes get the feeling that we are falsely led to believe that conservatism = Christian. In fact, those should honestly be more of antonyms than synonyms in some regards.
Here is a recent poll. Showing most Americans approve of abortion rights (54%) and (73%) don't care if their President differs from them on the issue of abortion rights.
Doesn't the Bible tell them not to lie? ( Or at least know what the hell you are talking about?)
I've already posted this once formatted. I'm not doing it again.
ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Aug. 19-22, 2008. N=1,108 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. Fieldwork by TNS. RV = registered voters
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"Do you think abortion should be legal in all cases, legal in most cases, illegal in most cases, or illegal in all cases?"
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Legal in
All Cases
Legal in
Most Cases
Illegal in
Most Cases
Illegal in
All Cases
Unsure
% % % % %
8/19-22/08 22 32 26 18 3
Time Poll conducted by Abt SRBI. July 31-Aug. 4, 2008. N=808 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.
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"Which of these positions best represents your views about abortion? A woman should be able to get an abortion if she wants one in the first three months of pregnancy, no matter what the reason. Abortion should be legal ONLY in certain circumstances, such as when a woman's health is endangered or when the pregnancy results from rape or incest. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances, even if the mother's life is in danger." Options rotated
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Always Legal in
First 3 Months Legal in Certain
Circumstances Illegal in All
Circumstances No Answer/
Unsure
% % % %
7/31 - 8/4/08 46 40 10 4
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"What if a presidential candidate took a position on abortion that was different from your own? Would you still consider voting for him because of his position on other issues, or would you not vote for him under any circumstances?"
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Still Consider Not Vote For No Answer/
Unsure
% % %
7/31 - 8/4/08 73 20 6
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I seriously think he would be leading McCain 70%-30% or something similar. It's so sad to me how just one issue can ward off so many religious folk. I am pro-life myself, but also know who would be a far better president when it comes to everything else (economy, foreign affairs, improving the general morale of the nation which is greatly determined by public perception, etc.). So I will be voting for Obama. Any thoughts on the first statement? Agree? Disagree?
I agree that it's a shame that the pro-lifers constantly need to make this a political issue. Just mind your own business and stay out of other people's personal lives imo. Pro-choice is up there will having the right to choose your spiritual belief and not be persecuted for being different from the majority.
This constant desire of pro-lifers to make abortion illegal is what gums up our presidential voting process. And when I was in my 20's, the right to an abortion if I wanted one was very important to me. Now that I am older, the right to an abortion is still important, but other issues are now more important to me. I will not vote for president solely based on his stance on abortion.
Disagree. I don't vote democrat b/c they are consistently trying to raise MY taxes.
Someone has to pay for this war that the Republicans have got us stuck in. I can remember the days of Clinton when the country was actually in the black. Now we are back to the trillions in debt we where in the last time the republicans where in office.
You can not pay for the total screw up from the last 8 years on a fart and a prayer. Money has to come from somewhere. That said, Obama isnt planning on massive tax hikes. He is just going to level the playing field for small businesses vs the corprate world. Also closing some of those loop holes that people who actually should be paying and not will have to.
In addition, I do NOT consider abortion a form of birth control, and I have always been diligent in my use of birth control. This pro-life issue is also a matter of our government and rabid pro-lifers telling me what I can and can't do with my body, and I vehemently object to that line of thinking. Stay the **** out of my uterus!
Every single year of the Clinton Administration the abortion rate went down.
(It went up with Bush last year)
Do these nuts give him credit? No. They don't care about the number of abortions. When you scratch the surface, they really care about people having sex. People obeying their rules.
Disagree. Over the years, I have voted for plenty of Dems whose take on the issue was making abortion legal but rare. However, Obama is over-the-top on this issue. Even though NARAL and everyone else supported the law that would provide comfort and care to infants who survived abortion, Obama voted and lobbied AGAINST it. That's just beyond cold.
I am pro-life but certainly don't vote solely on the basis of abortion stances. It's among my "second tier" issues. When I'm unsure about a candidate, though, I take it into consideration and Obama's is so extreme that there is no way I could vote for him. How could I trust that someone who can't even see fit to provide care for a dying baby would actually care about other people who can't or won't vote for him???
What does this mean? I do not get it? As you posted... (How could I trust that someone who can't even see fit to provide care for a dying baby would actually care about other people who can't or won't vote for him?)Who cannot vote? The only people I know who cannot vote are underage and illegal aliens! What dying babies? What does Obama have to do with any of these....did not make any sense to me.
Someone has to pay for this war that the Republicans have got us stuck in. I can remember the days of Clinton when the country was actually in the black. Now we are back to the trillions in debt we where in the last time the republicans where in office.
You can not pay for the total screw up from the last 8 years on a fart and a prayer. Money has to come from somewhere. That said, Obama isnt planning on massive tax hikes. He is just going to level the playing field for small businesses vs the corprate world. Also closing some of those loop holes that people who actually should be paying and not will have to.
I agree with you! See, the Repubs make a big costly mess and when a Demo gets into office to try and clean it up....they will blame the Demos for raising taxes! How dumb is that? After Bush put us in over 3 billion in debt to China of course taxes will have to go up a little...common sense tells you that...something the Repubs do not have! Now if a Repub gets into office the mess will get worse, and the taxes will still go up, only to afford the mess to get bigger and to fill their greedy pockets!
I seriously think he would be leading McCain 70%-30% or something similar. It's so sad to me how just one issue can ward off so many religious folk. I am pro-life myself, but also know who would be a far better president when it comes to everything else (economy, foreign affairs, improving the general morale of the nation which is greatly determined by public perception, etc.). So I will be voting for Obama. Any thoughts on the first statement? Agree? Disagree?
Both,
As a strong conservative, I am also Choice. Yes, a Reagan Republican conservative male who firmly believes that it is the womans choice plain and simple. Sorry, just how I feel.
I am also the above in belief and have as much religion as a cat turd.
With this said, I do not support Obama nor most liberal Democrats for that matter. The main reason is economics and our nation. Socialism does not work nor has ever worked anywhere in the world. Also, most claim they are Pro-Choice on abortion, but with their political forum of beliefs, by the time goverment their way gets into your life in general, choice on anything will be past tense.
I do believe that the abortion issue is insanity when it comes to picking leadership for the nation. From the fundamentalist who believes Jesus only talks to them alone, to the NOW Gang or crazy women who believe by voting for a Pro-Life candidate their reproductive rights will be taken away.
On that issue neither Obama nor McCain will have anything to do with it, just as Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Carter, and Ford prior. It is the supreme court that can change that, which they will not. The best counter argument here is, has Roe v Wade been overturned? No. Funny, that since it's inception we have had a conservative Supreme Court with 4 of the last 6 presidents being Pro Life
My suggestion is to ignore the abortion issue and look at economics, domestic and foreign affairs, peace through strength, etc., and leave the emotion issues to the nut cases.
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