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Old 09-05-2008, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Originally Posted by boiseguy View Post
NO.. absolutely not.. if alaska is producing so much oil.. they should have the cheapest gas in the country...and they don't.... something is fishy with that for sure..
My comments are only in regards to perishable items and other goods...
Here's a hint: they have to ship the oil down to the lower 48 or overseas for refinement. Then ship it back thousands of miles to Alaska where it travels up to thousands of additional miles to get to the customer. Just because they have the oil doesn't mean they have the facilities to turn it into something you can run an engine off of.

 
Old 09-05-2008, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I realize that Sarah Palin and Alaska is relatively new to most of you guys but please, how about using a little common sense before posting such nonsense. I have only been up here for a little over six years so I don't by any stretch consider myself a long time Alaskan but I have been up here under Murkowski and Palin. Trust me it has always be expensive. High prices are not because of Gov. Palin. High prices are because of our proximity to most goods and if you've checked out a map you would see that we are not that close. Most things have to be trucked or barged up and that adds greatly to their cost. Its expensive to live up here. Its expensive to heat your home at -40 below for months at a time. Its just our regular everyday life. We deal with the best we can and move on.
Has the Windfall profits tax reduced the cost of heating your home? Has it been an effective policy in reducing the cost of gasoline? Has the Governor explored policies and programs that help reduce the cost of everyday goods for the citizens of Alaska? What has the Governor done to help ease your financial burden and do you think increasing the taxes on the oil companies will eventually lower your cost of living? If not what will? What policies or programs can the Government adopt that will or should make your life easier?

The Government is ours. We hire them, the Government belongs to the will of the People, so how can it represent your needs more effectively? As a fellow citizen I am very concerned when you suffer because the people you and I hire aren't sensitive to your needs. Shouldn't the Government be knocking on your door saying hey, you hired me and I'm here to listen and help?

These are the things I'm curious about, but any discussion or thread that "looks" like a discussion of the needs of the citizens or a discussion of issues that affect us, is largely ignored or reduced to blame rather than solutions. Ah well, what can you do but...follow the herd and watch it go over the cliff.
 
Old 09-05-2008, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Texas
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"Sam Shields, who lives in the Kuskokwim River town of Bethel, also is among the 610,768 people who are receiving the dividend this year. The state's estimated population is just under 680,000 people.
Shields said the money is desperately needed in his community, where he recently saw a whole chicken selling for $23 at the local grocery store. Gasoline is going for almost $6 a gallon, but that price is expected to reach the $8 mark when the last barge of the season delivers its load of fuel."
Source
Is this what Governor Palin has in store for the lower 48? Are the citizens ready for these types of prices in the near future under a McCain Administration? Welcome to the average citizen's shopping trip under the Economic Stewardship of Governor Palin. WOW!
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Bret Luick, a foods and nutrition specialist with University of Alaska Fairbanks' Cooperative Extension Service, surveys food prices quarterly through about 20 communities statewide. His team focuses on items on the USDA's thrifty menu list - basically, items used to cook nutritious family meals - to estimate how much a family of four with two school-age children would pay to eat at home for a week.
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That total for Fairbanks was $126.04 in March 2008, down slightly from $127.59 in Dec. 2007. Four years ago, the register would have rung $116.07; and 10 years ago, the total was $99.98.
Wait hold the phone...what the prices went DOWN from 07 to 08?
With gas prices that have almost tripled in the last year the food prices from four years ago to now are only $10 dollars more how can this be walidm? Does this not disspell your post and link? I'm prone to beleive the University over the journalist trying to sell papers.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/ap_alaska/story/509834.html

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If rising prices for everything from food to fuel are putting your finances in a funk, perhaps there is some solace to be salvaged just knowing that the cost of living in Alaska rose slower in 2007 than the national average, Anchorage Consumer Price Index rose just 2.2 percent last year, the lowest annual rate since 2002. The figure beat the national annual rate of 2.8 percent.

Wait I am so confused this can not be true can it?
Homer, Alaska - News - Costs in Alaska rise slower than in rest of nation 07/16/08

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So far in Alaska, some retailers are shouldering the transportation costs rather than passing them on to customers, Robinson said, but that can't go on indefinitely. Fuel prices are declining slightly, but it's hard to say whether that will be enough to offset the rise in prices through the first seven months of the year.

Wouldn't that mean they have not changed at all since the above post in March....hmmmm I'm smelling something Fishy walidm and it isn't the King Salmon!
Food prices in Alaska could outpace nation - Juneau Empire

I saw your one post and I raise you three. I can keep on going to prove my point...somehow you will run out of sob stories after the first I believe!
Here is a little read for you about how gas prices are the problem. Let's see Palin and McCain and 85% of the US want to DRILL HERE DRILL NOW and pelosi and her democrats in congress do nothing...won't allow a vote. Hmmm seems you have put the blame in the wrong place.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/08/07/oil.price.ap/ (broken link)

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Old 09-05-2008, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Originally Posted by scuba steve View Post
Here's a hint: they have to ship the oil down to the lower 48 or overseas for refinement. Then ship it back thousands of miles to Alaska where it travels up to thousands of additional miles to get to the customer. Just because they have the oil doesn't mean they have the facilities to turn it into something you can run an engine off of.
Crazy isn't it? I remember when that thing was finished but barely cranked up specifically because of the extreme waste of resources to get anything out of it and then to market. The cost was insane. Now it's being touted as the savior it never was, and wasn't meant to be.

"Mis-direction Stan, Mis-direction" - SwordFish
 
Old 09-05-2008, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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True... aren't they trying to get a natural gas pipeline built from Alaska now?
 
Old 09-05-2008, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Artifice - Did you even read the entire articles you posted? Seriously. Did you? I don't ask the question because of what you're attempting but because the articles contradict what you're attempting.
 
Old 09-05-2008, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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True... aren't they trying to get a natural gas pipeline built from Alaska now?
I've heard the natural gas prospect bandied about through the campaigns, (I guess you can call it, tossed around), but I haven't paid much attention to how they'll make it work from Alaska. There's enough under Colorado for a few hundred years so why not get it from there rather ship it through the canal? We don't seem to be embracing efficiency too much lately.
 
Old 09-05-2008, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Artifice - Did you even read the entire articles you posted? Seriously. Did you? I don't ask the question because of what you're attempting but because the articles contradict what you're attempting.
Actions man actions. Just because you say it doesn't make it so...Prove it. Prove it is Palin's fault. That is all I am asking PROVE IT IS PALIN'S FAULT.
While your at it prove that my post contradict...you won't be able to, but try!
 
Old 09-05-2008, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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She's the experienced Chief Executive. Who should we blame?
 
Old 09-05-2008, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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She's the experienced Chief Executive. Who should we blame?
That is your proof. Let me define proof for you:
The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.
a. The validation of a proposition by application of specified rules, as of induction or deduction, to assumptions, axioms, and sequentially derived conclusions.
b. A statement or argument used in such a validation.

a. Convincing or persuasive demonstration: was asked for proof of his identity; an employment history that was proof of her dependability.
b. The state of being convinced or persuaded by consideration of evidence.

Want to try one more time?
That is as preposterous as saying it is Bobby Jindahl's fault that Gustav hit LA. He is CIC who else should we blame?
How about it is Rick Perry’s fault that crime in Houston is up 26% since the Katrina evacuees came and won't leave...he is the CIC he can just kick them out of the state and crime would go back to a single digit number. Should your argument hold any validity then Congress is responsible for Bill Clinton having sex
in the oval office after all it is a system of checks and balances. Congress should have done a few more checks...

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