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Old 09-21-2008, 01:13 AM
 
Location: At my computador
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63rd...

The point really isn't so much about how much each one got....

There is close to if not over 100 people on that list...

How are we suppose to think they have anything besides their own best interest at hand...
I don't get it. He received nothing from their PACs and only $21K in ten years from individuals. Why would that make me question who's interest he's for?
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Old 09-21-2008, 01:20 AM
 
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What a freaking inane post, you do not have a clue. If you have something serious wrong with you(certain nut cases excluded) you will receive prompt and professional heath care in Canada. Our health care is not free, we pay for it through our taxes, get your facts straight before spewing your lies.....your so called Canadian friends are liars as well.
"Canadians seeking health care continue to be plagued by long waits, according to a recent report from The Fraser Institute."

"The primary consequence of delayed access [to health care] is the worsening conditions of their patients," the survey found. It also reported 12 percent of physicians and 4 percent of nurses believe they have had patients die specifically because of long waits for needed care."

http://www.insure.com/articles/healt...alth-care.html
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Old 09-21-2008, 01:22 AM
 
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I don't get it. He received nothing from their PACs and only $21K in ten years from individuals. Why would that make me question who's interest he's for?
"Congress had collected since 1989 from the companies."


None of them have our best interest in mind...If you want to equate how much less interest each one has because of the amount of time in office and the amount of money they received that's your prerogative. What I see is a very long list of contradictions.
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Old 09-21-2008, 01:33 AM
 
Location: South Dakota
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National healthcare is a mixed bag. If we had it, our deficits would certainly baloon and our system would be inneficient and fall behind on innovation. Our current system needs reform and is expensive and there are too many people who are having a hard time. Some ideas that may help to improve accessability to health covereages. Risk pool for those who are disabled (and not due to their own choosing, born and stuck with the disability) and who could not get decent coverage otherwise), allowing small businesses, sole proprietors, and farmers to band together for group rates, and promoting wellness in school and work (through incentives). The latter idea would be a good one due to helping people be more productive and being healthier, thus lowering health-care costs and health insurance claims in the long run (thus lowering premiums or cut down on the increase in premiums). The society needs to find ways to improve health care accessiblity and contain costs for the average individual before going willy-nilly on a government-run healthcare system.
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Old 09-21-2008, 03:26 AM
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National healthcare is a mixed bag. If we had it, our deficits would certainly baloon and our system would be inneficient and fall behind on innovation. Our current system needs reform and is expensive and there are too many people who are having a hard time. Some ideas that may help to improve accessability to health covereages. Risk pool for those who are disabled (and not due to their own choosing, born and stuck with the disability) and who could not get decent coverage otherwise), allowing small businesses, sole proprietors, and farmers to band together for group rates, and promoting wellness in school and work (through incentives). The latter idea would be a good one due to helping people be more productive and being healthier, thus lowering health-care costs and health insurance claims in the long run (thus lowering premiums or cut down on the increase in premiums). The society needs to find ways to improve health care accessiblity and contain costs for the average individual before going willy-nilly on a government-run healthcare system.
YES, finally someone who makes sense. Nothing is so black and white. This is a good solution.
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Old 09-21-2008, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Chris19 - excellent post!
There is a study on children's health that has been ongoing for over 3 yrs now and the findings are quite remarkable. They now about 200,000 children and adults participating, here are a couple of examples of 3 yr results. Adults are talking 53% lower prescription and OTC meds, in children that number goes to 67%. Adults visits to the doctor lower by 61%, children the number is 74%. What is responsible? The fact that these people made a conscious choice to take active, nutritionally positive steps, lifestyle changes for themselves and family. This just illustrates the power that we have affect our own lives. Would it be reasonable to assume that wide spread application of this same principle could go a long way toward resolving our Health Care System problems? Is it not logical to assume that if we can significantly reduced the demand, we will significantly reduce the cost?
Is it possible to get the support of our leaders, whoever they turn out to be, with the NIH, CDC, AMA, ADA, etc, basically the alphabet soup of organizations and institutions, maybe even some corporations who see the value of healthy employees? Perhaps a co-ordination of efforts by Govt. and the alphabet soup, could take advantage of our most powerful tool, TV ads. Pound the public with ads. It may be possible to get across the point that a Big Mac, fries and a coke, is not a meal. Who knows, if we can get the Health Crisis under control, maybe the Health Care System will be able to cope, instead of being so overwhelmed. What can we do to push for a national effort to attack that real problem?
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Old 09-21-2008, 05:46 AM
 
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Sadly there is virtually no chance of it happening now. Since the Republicans have wrecked the budget and our economy with huge trillion dollar debts, there will be no money to pay for any new Federal programs. In fact existing programs will probably have to be curtailed including Medicare part D and SCHIP for children. That is really ashame. If we had not elected the Republicans, we would be enjoying a budget surplus and be able to do things for the American people.

At this rate America will look like Mexico poverty wise in 10 yrs maybe before that. I think your politicians are worse and destroying the country by allowing greed like nothing the world has ever seen go unpunished.
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Old 09-21-2008, 06:01 AM
 
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..we would be enjoying a budget surplus and be able to do things for the American people...
Like start to pay down the horrific national debt?

After that is paid for, let's have huge tax breaks for all!

Then the taxpayers can pool their refunds and build gallows in Washington to "discourage" any future deficit spending!

I guess my point is: National health care just isn't on the shopping list for most Americans.
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Old 09-21-2008, 06:09 AM
 
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Some ideas that may help to improve accessability to health covereages. Risk pool for those who are disabled (and not due to their own choosing, born and stuck with the disability) and who could not get decent coverage otherwise), allowing small businesses, sole proprietors, and farmers to band together for group rates, and promoting wellness in school and work (through incentives). The latter idea would be a good one due to helping people be more productive and being healthier, thus lowering health-care costs and health insurance claims in the long run (thus lowering premiums or cut down on the increase in premiums). The society needs to find ways to improve health care accessiblity and contain costs for the average individual before going willy-nilly on a government-run healthcare system.
These are some great comments!!
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Old 09-21-2008, 01:07 PM
 
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Why make the exception for social security? If you want to cut all entitlements, cut Medicare and Social Security. But you want to spare these two. Why? Let me guess: you are a Republican who loves to suck the government tit for Medicare and SS benefits.

See, this is the hypocrisy I'm talking about. These so called fiscal conservative Republicans want to cut everyone's entitlements as long as you don't cut theirs.
Sorry...................


I am in my 40's so I won't be seeing that for sometime if ever.............

There are to many unnecessary entitlements. And they are sucking the kitty dry!
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