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Old 09-20-2008, 07:42 PM
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/us...0w&oref=slogin

Is this a joke. She is going up for VP and they needed the rules changed. I was going to post this in the other politics forums, but it will just bring out the trolls. My problem with this is that she is going for the #2 spot and the rules have been modified for her benifit.

She knew the type of people she would have to square off against, and she has yet to face tough questions. She should have to go toe to toe with whomever her adversary is on the other side. Billary and Condi and even Cynthia McKinney woulda went head in with any whomover was sitting on the other table.

My thought is that she was picked to bring in the white female vote since they make up the largest group in america, and not actually be there to lead. I'm guessing that she would be more of a figure head and others would run the county from behind the scenes. Now this has been going on for a while, but now its apparent that the president is just going to be a figure head.
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Old 09-21-2008, 09:42 AM
 
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I'm appalled at this rules change and think that it is grossly unfair. If John McCain was truly that concerned about the ability of his VP pick to perform adequately in a debate situation, then he should have taken that into account when making his choice. If other factors outweighed that one, well then, he and his party should simply deal with the consequences. It's not as if they didn't already know who would be on the Democratic side of that debate either!

This is the "leveling the playing field" mentality at its worst. Hm, I don't recall Dan Quayle as being the most experienced debater either, but were the rules of the VP and Presidential debates constructed differently in order to take that into account? No they were not.

The old adage "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen" should clearly apply here but sadly has been twisted into "Let's lower the heat so that the rookie chef won't sweat." *sigh*
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Old 09-21-2008, 04:14 PM
 
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It's almost too pathetic to debate.
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Old 09-21-2008, 05:51 PM
 
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It's almost too pathetic to debate.
Agreed, LOL! Its way beyond pathetic. Its just hysterical. And if Hillary was on Obama's ticket and tried to pull this stunt, can you imagine the uproar? But the worst part is that Obama's camp agreed to it. I understand he needs to calculate his moves so that it doesn't look like he's beating up Palin, but this is just ridiculous.
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Old 09-21-2008, 06:01 PM
 
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I’m having trouble with the link. Would someone please quote the article here?
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Old 09-21-2008, 06:08 PM
 
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Its gone the link is dead

At the insistence of the McCain (http://sharpynews.com/politics/sarah-palin/issues/mccain - broken link) campaign (http://sharpynews.com/politics/sarah-palin/issues/campaign - broken link), the Oct. 2 debate (http://sharpynews.com/politics/sarah-palin/issues/debate - broken link) between Gov. Sarah Palin and her Democratic rival, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., will have shorter question-and-answer segments than those for the presidential nominees, the advisers said. There will also be much less opportunity for free-wheeling, direct exchanges between the running mates.
McCain (http://sharpynews.com/politics/sarah-palin/issues/mccain - broken link) advisers said they had been concerned that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage and largely on the defensive.




McCain (http://sharpynews.com/politics/sarah-palin/issues/mccain - broken link) advisers said they were only somewhat concerned about Ms. Palin’s debating skills compared with those of Mr. Biden, who has served six terms in the Senate (http://sharpynews.com/politics/sarah-palin/issues/senate - broken link), or about Mr. Biden’s chances of tripping up Ms. Palin. Instead, they say, they wanted Ms. Palin to have opportunities to present Mr. McCain (http://sharpynews.com/politics/sarah-palin/issues/mccain - broken link)’s positions, rather than spending time talking about her own experience or playing defense.
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Old 09-21-2008, 06:09 PM
 
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But the worst part is that Obama's camp agreed to it. I understand he needs to calculate his moves so that it doesn't look like he's beating up Palin, but this is just ridiculous.
Unless the Dem's mindset is that by allowing this change to occur, with all the attendant publicity, it reinforces the fact (in the mind of the public) that Palin is truly SO inexperienced on the national stage that this modification was indeed necessary. Let's face it, nothing wil change the Palin supporters' minds but it might sway the multitude of Independents and undecideds. It definitely has everyone talking about it, that's for sure. Whereas if Obama's camp had said "No way" they'd have been perceived as the big kid setting up to beat up the wimp. But by agreeing, they're in effect saying to the McCain camp: "Hey, you guys are absolutely right; your candidate IS woefully underqualified for this experience, we can't argue with THAT!". So Obama's camp is now able to be patronizing without coming off as a bully.

Don't get me wrong: I think the whole idea of having different rules for the VP debate just because McCain picked this particular person, is abominable and should never have happened. But IMO the Obama camp may be making at least a little lemonade out of this particular lemon.
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Old 09-21-2008, 06:13 PM
 
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Search for the article "Pact on Debates Will Let McCain and Obama Spar" on the NYT website

The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia

also at CD forum...
//www.city-data.com/forum/2008-...elp-sarah.html
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Old 09-21-2008, 06:41 PM
 
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It is very sad. It's a very weak ticket but there are so many people who are blindly committed to the party that it won't change their minds in the least. Cute and perky is all that's necessary to bolster their enthusiasm.

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Old 09-21-2008, 06:57 PM
 
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Is this a joke. She is going up for VP and they needed the rules changed. I was going to post this in the other politics forums, but it will just bring out the trolls. My problem with this is that she is going for the #2 spot and the rules have been modified for her benifit.

She knew the type of people she would have to square off against, and she has yet to face tough questions. She should have to go toe to toe with whomever her adversary is on the other side. Billary and Condi and even Cynthia McKinney woulda went head in with any whomover was sitting on the other table.

My thought is that she was picked to bring in the white female vote since they make up the largest group in america, and not actually be there to lead. I'm guessing that she would be more of a figure head and others would run the county from behind the scenes. Now this has been going on for a while, but now its apparent that the president is just going to be a figure head.

I can't access the page. . can you repost.. thanks
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