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Old 09-22-2008, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Omaha
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Anyone too poor to file a tax return will get a check in the mail. That rich guys who wakes up everyday and leaves his wife and kids at home to go earn a living will have his taxes go up, while the guy who sips gin all day gets a check in the mail. It's called income redistribution.. also called socialism.
under McCain, people who don't drive to work in a Lexus, leaving their family with a maid and a gardener, with a pool and a life of luxury will never know that pleasure. Under Obama's plan, these people will help give back to the country that has given them so much. Warren Buffet thinks he should have to. As a result, the guy riding a delapidated bike to two jobs while juggling a family struggling to survive will manage to afford healthcare, and come closer to making ends meet. Heaven forbid that more people manage to stay afloat and the super rich can afford one less ivory backscratcher.
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:36 AM
 
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Obama's whole economic campaign strategy is steal from the rich and give to the poor.

His town forums aren't in wal-mart or investment banks.. he hold them at run down factories and blue collar venues.

Yet, there are homeless people sleeping under a bridge in San Francisco that have a better quality of life than Obama's brother. Obama has to correct this.. not because he owes George anything, but just for the simple fact that his whole campaign is focused on propping up poor people.
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:37 AM
 
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Brother or not, this man is a stranger to him. Where was this family when he needed them! Why come around now that Obama is running for President seeking a handout. Obama is "not" his brother's keeper.

It's amazing how people will grab at anything and set in judgment of others. Plus, give Obama time, he may develop a relationship with him over time.
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:41 AM
 
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under McCain, people who don't drive to work in a Lexus, leaving their family with a maid and a gardener, with a pool and a life of luxury will never know that pleasure. Under Obama's plan, these people will help give back to the country that has given them so much. Warren Buffet thinks he should have to. As a result, the guy riding a delapidated bike to two jobs while juggling a family struggling to survive will manage to afford healthcare, and come closer to making ends meet. Heaven forbid that more people manage to stay afloat and the super rich can afford one less ivory backscratcher.

Great great post.. Let's have a discussion.

Ok, how will McCain keep you from driving a lexus and having a maid and gardener?

let's break this down, McCain will keep taxes low, thus won't take more money out of your pocket. He'll keep payroll taxes low which keeps employers hiring more people and paying higher wages. He won't force your employer to give you health insurance.. again more for employers to pay in wages and less of an incentive to fire people. McCain wants you to own a lexus and have a maid and gardener. McCain want's the govt to get the hell out of the way so we can all try to get rich.

Obama wants the opposite. If you get rich, the Obama loses. If you get rich, then you don't need the govt anymore. If you get rich, you don't need income redistribution. Obama knows this. He knows if people get rich then he will lose power. So Obama and the dems have a plan. That plan is redistribute income. That plan is to raise payroll taxes to keep unemployment high.. force employers to give health insurance.. again a huge incentive to not hire new employees. They do this because they want you to stay poor and rely on the govt for help. This insures that they stay in power.

Wake up.. McCain is on your side. The democrats have 1 goal.. stay in power. To do that they need more people to get poor and more people to stay poor.
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Aren't republicans the ones who say that their money shouldn'tgo to help others?
FYI, as someone with 40 years experience with 503c orgs and general charitable fundraising, I've known a multitude of Republicans and assorted conservatives and never met even one who said "their money shouldn't go to help others". Quite to the contrary, they seem to be the ones who can always spare a buck (or a grand) for something they believe is a good cause. That's not to say that some didn't decline to contribute because they didn't agree with what the money was to be used for. Contrasted by those on the left, many(most?) of whom seem to believe that 'I pay my taxes and the 'government' should be doing more to help'.
That said, liberals did seem more willing to volunteer time than the same conservatives who donated money.

What I have heard constantly is that the government shouldn't be involved in taking taxpayer money to help others, I should decide where my money goes to help.
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Omaha
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Great great post.. Let's have a discussion.

Ok, how will McCain keep you from driving a lexus and having a maid and gardener?

let's break this down, McCain will keep taxes low, thus won't take more money out of your pocket. He'll keep payroll taxes low which keeps employers hiring more people and paying higher wages. He won't force your employer to give you health insurance.. again more for employers to pay in wages and less of an incentive to fire people. McCain wants you to own a lexus and have a maid and gardener. McCain want's the govt to get the hell out of the way so we can all try to get rich.

Obama wants the opposite. If you get rich, the Obama loses. If you get rich, then you don't need the govt anymore. If you get rich, you don't need income redistribution. Obama knows this. He knows if people get rich then he will lose power. So Obama and the dems have a plan. That plan is redistribute income. That plan is to raise payroll taxes to keep unemployment high.. force employers to give health insurance.. again a huge incentive to not hire new employees. They do this because they want you to stay poor and rely on the govt for help. This insures that they stay in power.

Wake up.. McCain is on your side. The democrats have 1 goal.. stay in power. To do that they need more people to get poor and more people to stay poor.
eh. hardly. Obama will keep taxes lower on the majority of americans, and keep the deficit from rising as high as a McCain tax plan would. McCain will continue tax cuts for companies hsipping jobs over seas. If companies realize it's cheaper for them to have jobs here at home, we gain jobs, lowering taxes on these companies doesn't make those jobs overseas less appetizing. Obama will offer you a government healthcare system that you can buy into, or an approved private plan. Either way, the governmental plan won't force you to a government doctor, but the plan will be more affordable and only mandate coverage for children. McCain does not require children be covered, and personally I think that is unfortunate.

Keep in mind that I don't doubt that McCain and Obama would both like to see the american people improve their quality of living, I mearly feel that fewer people hve the ability to achieve it under a McCain administration.
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:56 AM
 
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Cindy McCain has a half sister but refuses to acknowledge her by referring to herself as an only child. While Cindy was left a fortune, this sister was left a mere $10,000 and lives a life that is quite opposite from the life of luxury the McCains live.

Have the McCains done anything to make this situation a little more equitable? No, they have not done anything at all for Cindy's sister. I guess they are not very sympathetic as to how this woman must feel to be so entirely written off while they live a completely "elitist" lifestyle.

Sibling Revelation: An Overlooked Branch of Cindy McCain's Family Tree
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:56 AM
 
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FYI, as someone with 40 years experience with 503c orgs and general charitable fundraising, I've known a multitude of Republicans and assorted conservatives and never met even one who said "their money shouldn't go to help others". Quite to the contrary, they seem to be the ones who can always spare a buck (or a grand) for something they believe is a good cause. That's not to say that some didn't decline to contribute because they didn't agree with what the money was to be used for. Contrasted by those on the left, many(most?) of whom seem to believe that 'I pay my taxes and the 'government' should be doing more to help'.
That said, liberals did seem more willing to volunteer time than the same conservatives who donated money.

What I have heard constantly is that the government shouldn't be involved in taking taxpayer money to help others, I should decide where my money goes to help.

The single largest donors to charitable organization are...drum roll please... those terrible evil big corporations.

Just shows again, that when we all follow our own self interest that society as a whole improves.
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Omaha
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FYI, as someone with 40 years experience with 503c orgs and general charitable fundraising, I've known a multitude of Republicans and assorted conservatives and never met even one who said "their money shouldn't go to help others". Quite to the contrary, they seem to be the ones who can always spare a buck (or a grand) for something they believe is a good cause. That's not to say that some didn't decline to contribute because they didn't agree with what the money was to be used for. Contrasted by those on the left, many(most?) of whom seem to believe that 'I pay my taxes and the 'government' should be doing more to help'.
That said, liberals did seem more willing to volunteer time than the same conservatives who donated money.

What I have heard constantly is that the government shouldn't be involved in taking taxpayer money to help others, I should decide where my money goes to help.
my apologies for blatantly bashing a large group of people unjustly. I got a bit flusterd. No, I think my point would be better phrased that this is a "charity" that Obama doesn't feel is something he would like to donate to. Should he be prosecuted for that? I don't think so.
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:58 AM
 
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Cindy McCain has a half sister but refuses to acknowledge her by referring to herself as an only child. While Cindy was left a fortune, this sister was left a mere $10,000 and lives a life that is quite opposite from the life of luxury the McCains live.

Have the McCains done anything to make this situation a little more equitable? No, they have not done anything at all for Cindy's sister. I guess they are not very sympathetic as to how this woman must feel to be so entirely written off while they live a completely "elitist" lifestyle.

Sibling Revelation: An Overlooked Branch of Cindy McCain's Family Tree
Cindy McCain = Wife of Presidential Nominee
Barack Obama = Presidential Nominee

Notice the difference?

All these politicians have family problems.. hell all of us on this site have family problems.

But the LEADER of the free world can not allow a blood relative to live in a dirt hut.. period.
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