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I have always been asked for ID when I've voted. I'm sure many, many, many homeless people have ID or had ID that expired that they can now get renewed. Many people had homes before becoming homeless, after all. They weren't born in the streets and raised in trash cans or something. They're not wolves.
What an unbelievable premise for a post.
No in a Palin Amercia, people who have their homes foreclosed will have 48 hours to establish a residence. If they fail to do so they will have their citizenship revoked and be considered an illegal alien subject to deportation. Their assigned new country will be one of the ones on the list we are waging a war in and have a secured area and we will designate them as citizen combatants. Once that has happened they will be eligible for permanent detainment. If they were formerly active in the Democratic party they will be considered terrorist and assigned to either Gitmo or sent to Poland for more intense debriefing. You say there is no room in Gitmo for them? Cuba will be the first on the McCain Dozenis of evil and the first to bite the dust from the Freedom Surge Express.
This thread was about transporting homeless people to the polls. I never broached the topic of same-day registration/voting, so your comments to me weren't en pointe.
My argument isn't as weak as "well, people should have a choice", my argument is that people who are legally registered to vote but for some reason need transportation to vote aren't puppets controlled by the people who provide that needed transportation.
My argument isn't that people shouldn't intelligently use their votes to advance their own interests. I'm arguing that neither you nor I possess the insight or psychic ability to fully understand how someone else arrives at their decision, and therefore we don't have the right to challenge that decision on some arbitrary basis that they didn't do enough research or give it enough thought beforehand.
Before we start screaming fraud at the polls, it should be clear exactly what we are condemning. If it's promoting democratic participation by helping those less fortunate get to the polls, then that's not fraud. If it's excluding people because they've recently lost their homes, then I think that's certainly wandering close to fraud. If they can prove that their recorded address was correct on the last legal day to update their registration, should their right to vote be challenged?
Ok, when they are taken to the polls, they must be accompanied by a neutral party who will make sure that those taking them there do no talk, do not have anything on them that might attempt to link their act with a party. No talking must happen, nothing can be said that even relates to political aspects at all.
The fact is, that will NEVER happen. I have already experienced that crap in my home town. Not only did this so "concerned" groups take the "homless" to vote, you know, beacuse it was their right and all. I have seen two abuses in these situations. One was a group who went and picked up some homless, told them they would buy them a meal and beer if they voted for said canidate.
The other was a self proclaimed "we just want to see people get their rights" who picked up homless in a van with their canidates slogans all over it and while they didn't tell them how to vote, they talked about politics along the way which oddly was tainted in the benefit of the person they supported.
Seriously, its garbage. If I had a dime for as many times I have heard someone who said they cared who was lying through their teeth, even GOD would have trouble matching my income. Its nothing short, as I said, a joke, a scam, more garbage.
You may honestly believe it, but I am telling you it is ALWAYS nothing more than an attempt to "gain more votes for a side". Seriously DC, I know you aren't that naive, you can't really think this is a "good thing" as it is?
Here are some answers: States That Request Photo ID
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Indiana
Louisiana
Michigan
South Dakota States that Require ID (photo not required) Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Kentucky
Missouri
Montana
North Dakota
Ohio
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Virginia
Washington
Yes, all you need is a voter registration card, or proof of address, like telephone, cable, cell-phone or electric bill showing your address.
If you want, you can show your driver's license, but it is not required. In fact, no photo ID is required.
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And the Republicans have been recruiting for people to be poll-watchers, who will be looking specifically for voter fraud.
I signed up a few weeks ago and will be patrolling the polling place near my home with a video camera.
There's a group on campus that helps students vote by absentee ballot in their home state or county, and then register to vote here, so they get to vote twice.
So, we'll be patrolling all of the polling places in and around the UC and Xavier campuses to record vehicle license plates and photographic images of the voters (for those who walk to their polling places) so they can be charged with voter fraud if they're voting twice.
I have already experienced that crap in my home town. Not only did this so "concerned" groups take the "homless" to vote, you know, beacuse it was their right and all. I have seen two abuses in these situations. One was a group who went and picked up some homless, told them they would buy them a meal and beer if they voted for said canidate.
You saw this? You saw a van pull up to the curb and heard what they said and all that?
Yes, all you need is a voter registration card, or proof of address, like telephone, cable, cell-phone or electric bill showing your address.
If you want, you can show your driver's license, but it is not required. In fact, no photo ID is required.
I signed up a few weeks ago and will be patrolling the polling place near my home with a video camera.
There's a group on campus that helps students vote by absentee ballot in their home state or county, and then register to vote here, so they get to vote twice.
So, we'll be patrolling all of the polling places in and around the UC and Xavier campuses to record vehicle license plates and photographic images of the voters (for those who walk to their polling places) so they can be charged with voter fraud if they're voting twice.
Good job! I hope that nobody will cheat but what we have seen in the housing market, the scam that were pulled, I guess there will be many people commiting fraud and I hope they will be put on tv on in the newspaper with their faces, so they will never do it again. Is it a misdemenor or a felony to commit voting fraud?
Doesn't Ohio have a bunch of people who are homeless because they lost their houses in the foreclosure mess? And I'm guessing they shouldn't have a vote? Then again, it's not surprising. People hold homeless people in such disregard. They assume that every one of them is there because they are drug addicts or criminals. They could've been veterans who fought for your right to vote and complain about who's getting to vote or not.
I switched with another TA and taught her Intro to International Relations class and out of 35 students, 8 voted twice and they were bragging about it, plus a friggin Brazilian girl who isn't even a US citizen voted once using someone else's voter registration card. I was freaking livid (especially since they all voted for Kerry).
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Is it a misdemenor or a felony to commit voting fraud?
Depends. Giving the homeless food or money, or offering anyone an inducement is Bribery (3599.01 or 3599.02) and a 4th degree felony. False voter registration or helping people register is a 5th degree felony (3599.11). Illegal voting (more than once or at all if you aren't allowed) is a 4th degree felony (3599.12).
The mandatory fines for 4th/5th degree felonies are $5,000 and $2,500 respectively, and a minimum of 120 or 60 days, unless there is a prior felony or misdemeanor conviction in which case it could be 1 to 5 years.
Doesn't Ohio have a bunch of people who are homeless because they lost their houses in the foreclosure mess?
No, they moved into something called an "apartment" and paid rent that was probably 1/3 to 1/6 of their mortgage.
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And I'm guessing they shouldn't have a vote?
They should, so long as they are properly registered and vote in the correct polling precinct.
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Then again, it's not surprising. People hold homeless people in such disregard. They assume that every one of them is there because they are drug addicts or criminals.
Most of them are, or are totally irresponsible. Typically, if you find women and children in a homeless shelter, it's because she is the non-custodial parent and has kidnapped the children and taken unlawful flight to avoid prosecution, or she is the custodial parent but has taken unlawful flight to avoid prosecution or sentencing for other criminal acts.
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They could've been veterans who fought for your right to vote and complain about who's getting to vote or not.
There's plenty of help at the VA, they just have to ask for it, so if they're homeless its because they want to be, not because they have no other options.
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