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Im sorry DC, but that has to be the biggest load of spin I have ever read. Uninformed voters are nothing but votes in the pocket of the person doing the helping. It has nothing to do with being intelligent, it has everything to do with people being gullible and believing everything they hear. You certainly can't make the case that many people are not or you wouldn't have the platform for claiming the need to protect all those who have been "mislead" and taken advantage of.
You start telling me about how it is such an honorable thing and I can't help but smell the rank that is coming from the comment. They didn't take the time to register when they had every chance to do so. It isn't hard to do it either. You can do it in a few minutes on the phone or on the internet. Those people who need to be rushed to the polls to register on the day of are nothing more than votes in the pocket for those rushing them there. It is nothing short of fraudlent meddling.
No, it isn't rank. And it isn't spin. It's about the fact that Americans have open and free elections. Your vote isn't qualified because you read the Congressional Record or not. Your vote isn't qualified because you read and understand every article in the Wall Street Journal. Your vote qualifies because you are a citizen of the United States and satisfy all the requirements that have been legally stated. You don't have to own a house, or any land at all. You don't have to have a college education, or even a high school diploma. You don't have to be able to drive a car or operate a computer. Whatever reason you vote is good enough, because your vote is no one else's business but yours. You don't have to tell anyone how you voted or why you voted the way you did.
Different states have different requirements for registration. If you don't live in Ohio, you have no standing to complain about whether there is a small window that allows some people to register and vote on the same day. If you live in Ohio and don't like it, you can address the issue with your legislators and Governor.
The fact that some people want everyone who is legally qualified to vote to be able to do so, despite their economic status or their access to transportation isn't about spin. For some of us, it isn't even about politics. It's about what a government that is of, by and for the people really means. I live in one of the most conservative pockets of America, who I vote for hardly ever makes it into office. But that's okay, because the people who live here have the government they want, it really is their choice. Seeing that locally makes me hopeful that we can see it nationally. I want the government the people choose, and I don't want any party to start saying that that person's vote doesn't count because he hasn't got a home, or this person's vote doesn't count because he didn't think enough about the issues. Would I like everyone to be informed, to see that their vote has consequences and weight, yes, but millions of people will be voting in this election, and some of them won't vote thoughtfully, some of them will vote straight ticket and not according to the candidate or the issue, some of them will vote because of their gut feelings or because Sarah Palin has pretty hair. And that has to be good enough for me because it's good enough for them. They made it to the polls, they cast their vote because it was important enough to them to take the time to do so. Who are you or anyone else to judge the quality of their choices?
Is the voting situation in Cook County the rule for everywhere, USA, then? Clearly it isn't, because my experience is radically different from yours. If none of the problems are addressed, there must be a reason. If fraud is rampant, do something about it! Don't the voters in your county care? Aren't there newspapers and TV media in your area just itching for a good voter fraud story?
I'm speaking from my Cook County, IL experience. The election process is not trouble free here - that's just the way it is. Reports of irregularities are made every single election and are reported in the local news media. Little changes. It's a fact of life here - a cynical running joke, if you will.
I still vote every time, regardless, and treasure my right to do so.
Because some people have values and rather win fair or loose than win by fraud or other people to default!
And are you, a foreigner, somehow questioning Democrats' ethics? Why again are you interested in OUR election? You clearly know nothing at all about the history of Republicans attempting to prevent legal voters from voting. This is common knowledge to many Americans.
Ithis campaign makes me think certain people in this country do anything to win and have their candidate win this election which makes it IMO a fraudelent election.
I LOVE this!! LOL!! A REPUBLICAN accusing the DEMOCRATS of election fraud! That is amazing. Were you around for the last 2 generals???
I'm sure if Republicans thought it would help, they'd be doing the same thing. Democrats are known as the party that likes social programs like welfare, health care, etc. It is in poor people's best interest to vote for the Democrat. Dems know this and focus on getting poor people (including the homeless) to the polls.
Everyone knows the GOP is the party of the rich, though they try to sell it as theparty of the "common man." Trickle down doesn't work as we are now seeing. Extremely rich CEOs don't need help getting to the polls, or I'm sure Republicans would be working on that.
No, it isn't rank. And it isn't spin. It's about the fact that Americans have open and free elections. Your vote isn't qualified because you read the Congressional Record or not. Your vote isn't qualified because you read and understand every article in the Wall Street Journal. Your vote qualifies because you are a citizen of the United States and satisfy all the requirements that have been legally stated. You don't have to own a house, or any land at all. You don't have to have a college education, or even a high school diploma. You don't have to be able to drive a car or operate a computer. Whatever reason you vote is good enough, because your vote is no one else's business but yours. You don't have to tell anyone how you voted or why you voted the way you did.
Different states have different requirements for registration. If you don't live in Ohio, you have no standing to complain about whether there is a small window that allows some people to register and vote on the same day. If you live in Ohio and don't like it, you can address the issue with your legislators and Governor.
The fact that some people want everyone who is legally qualified to vote to be able to do so, despite their economic status or their access to transportation isn't about spin. For some of us, it isn't even about politics. It's about what a government that is of, by and for the people really means. I live in one of the most conservative pockets of America, who I vote for hardly ever makes it into office. But that's okay, because the people who live here have the government they want, it really is their choice. Seeing that locally makes me hopeful that we can see it nationally. I want the government the people choose, and I don't want any party to start saying that that person's vote doesn't count because he hasn't got a home, or this person's vote doesn't count because he didn't think enough about the issues. Would I like everyone to be informed, to see that their vote has consequences and weight, yes, but millions of people will be voting in this election, and some of them won't vote thoughtfully, some of them will vote straight ticket and not according to the candidate or the issue, some of them will vote because of their gut feelings or because Sarah Palin has pretty hair. And that has to be good enough for me because it's good enough for them. They made it to the polls, they cast their vote because it was important enough to them to take the time to do so. Who are you or anyone else to judge the quality of their choices?
It is a matter of being responsible. We are not a democracy, we are a representative republic governed by a constitution. We were designed this way to avoid the mob of self interest rushing in and making wild decisions out of their own personal desires counter to whole idea of a free country.
As I said, people who do not take the time to register honestly haven't a care in the world about the issues or what happens. It is EASY to register and if a phone call or an internet sign up of 5-10 mins of your time is too much to prepare for, then you should suffer the consequences of being irresponsible.
What you are pushing for is the ability to push in people into the polls with the hopes of getting extra votes to your side. Voter fraud is abundant on all sides and the idea of allowing someone to register on the fly before ANY real validation can take place is at the height of irresponsible behavior and plays right into the hands of those who wish to use it unethically to their advantage.
Throwing the whole "who are you to say..." in my face is an evasion of the facts, an evasion of the truth of the issue. Peple who don't register CHOOSE not to vote. Pushing them to vote (oh and vote our way) is just some devious campaign to gain votes. Spin it as you like, you can't hide the truth of the issue. If you want to vote, go register on time like everyone else who is responsible does. If you don't want to, then well... you made your choice, live with it.
I can't help but sigh at the whole thing every election. I used to laugh every year as the whole "rock the vote" crap comes out and they stir up all the bobble heads in college to vote with famous actors and singers urging people to vote. Each year, those events fail because the voter base is irresponsible and really only gets involved because it is the cool thing to do. I mean, seriously, Diddy and Paris pushed so hard with all their crap and then the two fools didn't even vote? Give me a break. Now they want special treatment? Sorry, this is America, people need to take care of their own responsibilties and quit expecting everything to bend to thier will.
I'm not sure that your leap is legitimate Nomander. Driving someone to vote doesn't mean that they weren't going to vote. Registering someone to vote doesn't mean they will vote. No one is being forced to vote. They are offered help and help is given (or not) dependent on the person.
As delusianne said, you are ALONE in the voting booth. Even if a homeless person is taken to the polls by a democrat and given food by a democrat, s/he is not forced to vote for a democrat. There is absolutely nothing stopping republicans from helping out some homeless people and getting them registered to vote and helping them get to the polling places to vote on November 4th. Perhaps that could be a great volunteer community service activity for you, Bentlebee!
Exactly. Everyones voice should be heard. If they get a free meal then God bless the person who gave it to them.
Corporations give money to charities as a write off as do individuals why aren't you compaining about that? Maybe because some group of poor or sick people will benefit from the donation. Just because it is on a larger corporate level it doesn't make it any different. I am all about a hungry person getting a free meal or a charity getting a big donation, a poor kid getting a scholarship etc and I really don't care how they get it, just that they do.
It is a matter of being responsible. We are not a democracy, we are a representative republic governed by a constitution. We were designed this way to avoid the mob of self interest rushing in and making wild decisions out of their own personal desires counter to whole idea of a free country.
As I said, people who do not take the time to register honestly haven't a care in the world about the issues or what happens. It is EASY to register and if a phone call or an internet sign up of 5-10 mins of your time is too much to prepare for, then you should suffer the consequences of being irresponsible.
What you are pushing for is the ability to push in people into the polls with the hopes of getting extra votes to your side. Voter fraud is abundant on all sides and the idea of allowing someone to register on the fly before ANY real validation can take place is at the height of irresponsible behavior and plays right into the hands of those who wish to use it unethically to their advantage.
Throwing the whole "who are you to say..." in my face is an evasion of the facts, an evasion of the truth of the issue. Peple who don't register CHOOSE not to vote. Pushing them to vote (oh and vote our way) is just some devious campaign to gain votes. Spin it as you like, you can't hide the truth of the issue. If you want to vote, go register on time like everyone else who is responsible does. If you don't want to, then well... you made your choice, live with it.
I can't help but sigh at the whole thing every election. I used to laugh every year as the whole "rock the vote" crap comes out and they stir up all the bobble heads in college to vote with famous actors and singers urging people to vote. Each year, those events fail because the voter base is irresponsible and really only gets involved because it is the cool thing to do. I mean, seriously, Diddy and Paris pushed so hard with all their crap and then the two fools didn't even vote? Give me a break. Now they want special treatment? Sorry, this is America, people need to take care of their own responsibilties and quit expecting everything to bend to thier will.
Sigh, we are a democratic republic. We present ourselves to the world as a democracy. Our current President, and Vice-Presidential nominee Sarah Palin, seem to agree on the idea that we should spread the principles of democracy worldwide. You're nitpicking at the definitions to defuse the thrust of what I'm saying. This thread isn't about whether people in Ohio should be able to register and vote on the same day, is it? You want to re-direct the discussion. It's about homeless people getting transportation to the polls. And how some people, like myself, think that every voter who is a legal citizen and registered should have the opportunity to cast their ballot.
I do urge everyone I know to vote. And I specifically said I don't "urge them to vote my way". Your putting that out there is an attempt at obfuscation.
No one goes with them into that booth, no one votes for them. They are free to vote in any way they please. It's your argument that contradicts this. It is your argument that providing transportation to legally registered voters who happen to be homeless and getting them to the polls is somehow defrauding the election process.
You decry "Rock the Vote" and all the drives that are about getting more people to the polls. These drives aren't just about getting votes for Democrats, it's about getting people of ALL political persuasions to get interested, to get involved, to be a part of the process. Just because people aren't members of your political party doesn't make them bobbleheads. College students have more opportunities than many of us to educate themselves on the issues and candidates. Dismissing them as mere followers of Paris or Diddy is a huge generalization. So what if Paris and Diddy didn't vote, that's up to them.
As for personal responsibility, I don't see how it can be possibly construed as irresponsible to volunteer to provide someone with transportation so that they can vote. I'm promoting helping people do the right thing, and you're calling it irresponsible. Who's hiding the truth?
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