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Old 10-09-2008, 07:18 PM
 
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John 'songbird' McCain gave up 'package routes' to the enemy, resulted so many planes shot down they changed the routes!
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Old 10-09-2008, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Murfreesboro, TN
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John 'songbird' McCain gave up 'package routes' to the enemy, resulted so many planes shot down they changed the routes!
Proof?
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Old 10-09-2008, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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I've heard much said about McCains time as a prisoner of war and while I will not vote for him and do not approve of his views, I would need to see some primary source evidence of some of the claims I have seen made about his time in the military and his time as a prisoner.
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Old 10-09-2008, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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This is the second time (at least) that the OP has started a thread on this topic. If you've got such a set that you can keep mocking a man who was tortured for five years, why don't you enlist TOMORROW and VOLUNTEER for the infantry in Afghanistan? You'd probably cry and denounce our country the first time a bullet came within 3 feet of you.
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Old 10-09-2008, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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john 'songbird' mccain gave up 'package routes' to the enemy, resulted so many planes shot down they changed the routes!

link?? Quote??? Evedence???
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Old 10-09-2008, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Rhode Island
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Eh, these are the same kind of lowblow attacks as calling Senator Obama a terrorist and what have you, only this time with Senator McCain as a target.

These smear tactics aren't substantial and don't help anybody, especially not the country.
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Old 10-09-2008, 07:33 PM
 
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he is probably referring to this article on McCain:

Make-Believe Maverick : Rolling Stone (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain - broken link)

McCain displayed little of Hope's valor. Although he would soon regale The New York Times with tales of the heroism of the brave enlisted men who "stayed to help the pilots fight the fire," McCain took no part in dousing the flames himself. After going belowdecks and briefly helping sailors who were frantically trying to unload bombs from an elevator to the flight deck, McCain retreated to the safety of the "ready room," where off-duty pilots spent their noncombat hours talking trash and playing poker. There, McCain watched the conflagration unfold on the room's closed-circuit television — bearing distant witness to the valiant self-sacrifice of others who died trying to save the ship, pushing jets into the sea to keep their bombs from exploding on deck.
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Old 10-09-2008, 07:33 PM
 
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Retired Army Colonel Earl Hopper, a veteran of World War II, Korea and Vietnam, contends that the information that McCain divulged classified information North Vietnam used to hone their air defense system…McCain told his North Vietnamese captors, “highly classified information, the most important of which was the package routes, which were routes used to bomb North Vietnam.



He gave in detail the altitude they were flying, the direction, if they made a turn… he gave them what primary targets the United States was interested in.”



Hopper contends that the information McCain provided allowed the North Vietnamese to adjust their air-defenses. As result, Hopper claims, the US lost sixty percent more aircraft and in 1968, “called off the bombing of North Vietnam, because of the information McCain had given to them.”


‘Songbird’ McCain: The evidence - in his own words, his fellow veterans, and his captors « Hope2012
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Old 10-09-2008, 07:40 PM
 
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Eh, these are the same kind of lowblow attacks as calling Senator Obama a terrorist and what have you, only this time with Senator McCain as a target.

These smear tactics aren't substantial and don't help anybody, especially not the country.
The 'lowblow' attacks are coming from POWs that were in prison with McCain, but not on the 'plantaion' where John and other pampered prisoners who were allowed to leave early, and from Congressmen and military - your real communists eh?
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Old 10-09-2008, 07:50 PM
 
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I'm not taking a stand on this thread just wanted to say that the North Vietnamese knew who McCain's father was. Not sure if he was treated differently because of this knowledge. Worse or better.. I do not know, and too tired to find out.
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