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Old 10-11-2008, 09:46 AM
 
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The anti-Obama folks look for any kind of mud so they can assign guilt-by-association to Obama - it's all they have left - they can't discuss McCain's stand on the issues - because people are abandoning McCain for just that reason.
Can you please clarify how this isn't demonstration of poor judgment and shady associations on the part of Obama? Obama had previous ties and intimate knowledge of ACORN long before he gave them $800k.

Is this evidence of poor judgment and shady associations? Absolutely. Open and shut case. There's no way to argue against this.

Did Obama intentionally commit voter fraud? That issue will require much more investigation and is not an open and shut case.

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I am absolutely voting for Obama - I like his stand on the issues - and I like the way he stands up for the working class.
Well, you've clearly revealed your bias.

What is it with all this "class" discussion on this forum? This isn't yesterday's India with the caste system. This is America. We don't have "classes" in America. We have social mobility for those motivated enough to take advantage of it.

That said, Vote Libertarian!
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Old 10-11-2008, 09:49 AM
 
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Can you please clarify how this isn't demonstration of poor judgment and shady associations on the part of Obama? Obama had previous ties and intimate knowledge of ACORN long before he gave them $800k.

Is this evidence of poor judgment and shady associations? Absolutely. Open and shut case. There's no way to argue against this.

Did Obama intentionally commit voter fraud? That issue will require much more investigation and is not an open and shut case.


Well, you've clearly revealed your bias.

What is it with all this "class" discussion on this forum? This isn't yesterday's India with the caste system. This is America. We don't have "classes" in America. We have social mobility for those motivated enough to take advantage of it.

That said, Vote Libertarian!

Thanks for your intellectually honest post.
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Old 10-11-2008, 10:16 AM
 
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What is it with all this "class" discussion on this forum? This isn't yesterday's India with the caste system. This is America. We don't have "classes" in America. We have social mobility for those motivated enough to take advantage of it.
Obama is swaying the easily manipulated by exploiting class warfare. What's sad is that if they actually examined Obama's economic plan, they'd realize that many of their jobs would be at risk if Obama gets the chance to implement those plans.

Yes, we do have social mobility, the problem is that many people are not willing to do the hard work that is required to improve their own situation. Some immigrant groups are highly successful at this - they live the American dream. The Obama sheeple would be better off studying and emulating the successful immigrants who came here with little more than the clothes on their backs and have achieved a great deal of social mobility, instead of relying on promises from Obama that they're going to get something for nothing and the supposedly 'rich' (otherwise known as employers) are going to pay for it without cutting jobs.

I truly wish we did have a viable Libertarian candidate, but realistically speaking, McCain is a better choice than Obama. This ACORN fiasco is a good example of how badly the ideas Obama supports play out.
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Old 10-11-2008, 10:35 AM
 
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I believe most people understand what is at risk here.


As usual, the vocal minority are doing what they can to alter people's perceptions.
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Old 10-11-2008, 01:56 PM
 
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