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Old 10-13-2008, 06:26 AM
 
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we have already moved past the bush is an idiot part of the debate. (there is certainly no disagreement with most republicans and democrats on that), although you are also saying that obama is an idiot to have voted for the bailout as well. that is all water under the bridge now. the issue is the future of the country and i bring you back to address my original point which are these differences in the parties currently:

1) stressing law and order means deporting illegal immigrants who are breaking the laws, getting undocumented mortgages and withdrawing money from their house and our country out first.
2) you are kidding, right? democrats represent the party of big government and big spending!
3) going into afghanistan and pakistan is not a reduction in united states military intervention
4) ACORN voter fraud and ACORN slush fund in the countryside bailout bill, sweetheart deal for warren buffett, major wall street backing, convicted felons buying your only house, etc.
5) putting your country further in debt does not balance the budget!! this may be the most important factor in this election. sponsoring a bill to forgive other countries debts does not balance the budget! the global poverty act does not balance the budget! driving business away does not help and we will have increases in unemployment. people need jobs to pay their bills!
6) religious people have a right to vote any way they choose, as do agnostics and atheists. it is ironic that a liberal advocates lack of tolerance within the party.

may i add that development of oil resources and natural gas expansion will be crucial to our country's income production. we cannot stay as a service economy any longer and we have to go back to manufacturing jobs for the people!

we need direct responses to these future questions and issues of job creation vs. job loss, illegal immigration, slush funds, global poverty act, jubilee act (world debt forgiveness act), voter fraud, addressing the issue of how turning most of the entire country into a welfare state helps our dollar or our future, and how does big government benefit the people in the long run when the trust has been broken?
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:30 AM
 
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You are kidding, right? Today, and for the last 8 years, the Republicans have been the party of big government and big spending (despite any spin you might put on it, the $700 billion Wall Street bailout was a Bush administration initiative). The Republicans used to be the party of small government, and if they can get back to that, they may have some success.

From the link above:
The $700 Bill Bank Bailout was a BUSH initiative to clean up the mess made by the Democrats.


YouTube - Democrats Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Economic Crisis


The Republicans presented the FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2005 for CONGRESS to pass.

See GovTrack: Senate Record: FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM... (109-s20060525-16) (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16 - broken link)


According to the Democrats, if it ain't broken, then don't fix it!!!!


It was the DUTY of the CONGRESS to pass this REFORM ACT. PASSING laws is NOT the duty of the PRESIDENT. THAT's the duty of CONGRESS!!!!!!

The DEMOCRATS in Congress blocked the reform act!!!!! Because they thought that Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac and the economy ain't broken.

So you CANNOT blame BUSH because he is NOT in charge of voting on laws to pass!!!

Just the Facts: The Administration's Unheeded Warnings About the Systemic Risk Posed by the GSEs

The people you should blaming are the DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS!!!!

Laws are written, discussed and voted on in Congress.

All laws have to be passed by Congress first. If the Congress does not pass the law, then it goes nowhere!!!!!

Congress makes laws. It is their duty to make laws to regulate industries or other entities to avoid crisis. This is NOT the duty of the President.
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:42 AM
 
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FactCheck.org: Who Caused the Economic Crisis?
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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Unfortunately, the GOP will never "do the right thing", however ...

Here's another way the GOP can "rise again" - take over Redneckistan and agree to a no-fault divorce from the rest of the USA.
That would be a win-win for all of us.

"Whenever something is wrong, something is too big." --- Leopold Kohr



Pacifica, Redneckistan, New American Republic

-- image: Creative Commons --


There was a reason Missouri was split at the time of the Civil War... I would suggest the entire state could fall in Redneckisan but at least half of it.
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:07 AM
 
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The GOP has gone so far to the right in the last 8 years that it is shaking off the independents.

These right winged neo-cons, (even on this board, and for some reason found a forum about URBAN areas) seem to be so ignorant to the rest of America that it isn't funny. For some reason they think all of America should be just like them and their church in bumblescum, (name your red state here), and push that agenda.

The days of John ******** better never come back, or I am out of the United Stupidity of America.
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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The $700 Bill Bank Bailout was a BUSH initiative ...
Agreed.
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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once again, that is misinformation. the president cannot write a bill! congress writes the bills. the democrats sponsored every bailout bill.
countrywide bailout, chris dodd, democrat.
first 700 million bailout bill, charles rangel, democrat.
2nd passed bailout bill, patrick kennedy, democrat.
majority of house and senate democrat. leader of the house and senate, democrat.
"we will keep trying until we get this bill passed", nancy pelosi, democrat.
"We need to pass this bill or...doom doom doom doom doom doom DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!" - Comrade Commisar Bush/Paulson

Oh, and Ron Paul told you so. Guess the tin foil hats were getting decent reception on economic matters

Oh, and you don't need potentially corrupt market regulation if you don't convince your Fed chairman to drop money from helicopters for overpriced real estate.

Last edited by ViewFromThePeak; 10-13-2008 at 07:22 AM..
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:16 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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A big portion of this election will be "nothing to do with Bush or his friends"

Cycles come cycles go.
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:30 AM
 
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There was a reason Missouri was split at the time of the Civil War... I would suggest the entire state could fall in Redneckisan but at least half of it.


It is just a hypothetical map. If a "voluntary" split occurred, each state would be free to choose its alignment - the decisions would likely be based on many factors - political, economic, cultural, and regional.

Missouri and "Mizzourah" regions could, of course, choose to split. In fact, that might be very likely.

For my own education, do you know which of the areas on the Missouri map above are part of what is considered "Mizzourah"?
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:39 AM
 
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Unfortunately, the GOP will never "do the right thing", however ...

Here's another way the GOP can "rise again" - take over Redneckistan and agree to a no-fault divorce from the rest of the USA.
That would be a win-win for all of us.

"Whenever something is wrong, something is too big." --- Leopold Kohr



Pacifica, Redneckistan, New American Republic

-- image: Creative Commons --
I would find that funny except I live in Redneckistan.
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