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Old 10-21-2008, 10:39 PM
 
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Again, as Ray said, the Permanent Fund is an investment fund.


Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation (http://www.apfc.org/home/Content/reportspublications/tp5-2.cfm - broken link)

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I was not talking about the PFD, I am talking about taxing a private company and handing that money directly to non investing private citizens. Classic redistribution.
So are you saying that you disagree with Obama's ideas on an oil windfall tax the lower forty eight?

Do you think the tax should be removed in Alaska? You would be in agreement with the Republican party if so.

Do you think that it would have enough effect on the price of a barrel of oil to reduce your heating fuel and gas bills?
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Casa Grande, AZ
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it is expensive in Hawaii too and San Diego has outrageous prices, but as the Republicans are so fond of saying, if you can't afford it there, move. No one is forcing anyone to live in Alaska. I am sorry they live in a ridiculous hgh priced area, but that does not mean the rest of us have to pay higher prices to support Alaskan's lifestyle. I was not talking about the PFD, I am talking about taxing a private company and handing that money directly to non investing private citizens. Classic redistribution.
That is true, I came from MN a little over a year ago...but does not change where I live, and I did not get this, even though I paid the price...I work everyday....Alaskans are getting a token of this tax, and the oil companies are still making a profit, not coming here even though taking it from here. I can come back, have a house there, but don't want this crap that is going on now... An Alaskan in a remote village does not have the option financially of leaving, even if they wanted to...What do you suggest to them???
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Casa Grande, AZ
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If you can;t afford it, move, like the rest of us? And no, we pay a fortune to live in Virginia because we have a fabulous school system overall.
Then maybe you should stay there with your school system, as most up here would agree...We have a state that tries to take care of it's own....do you pay $10.00 a gallon for gas in your vehicle as some here, and probably more..., you would say let's send the money to Africa, or Indonesia, or wherever,....as is done, whether than VA take care of her own, what about all the coal mine workers there injured????
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Not a joke, and if you want to taken seriously, maybe check your spelling, what is "teh" among others from other posts????It is out of the investment fund that the "PFD" comes from. What are your gas prices, heating, food..... Does your state take care of you??? and that was not Palin's idea (defending again...and not wanting to), but I will not and cannot tolerate ignorance, whining, etc., when not knowing the other side, especially in your country... Maybe you should move to Alaska???
Granny, you're not too hip to "teh" internet lingo.

I'd respond more, but the rest of it is completely incoherent. I'll pass on moving to Alaska, as I don't plan on ever moving anywhere colder than where I currently live. I'd love to vacation there one day, though.

And just to reiterate, the point of all of this is the complete double standard Sarah Palin has with her criticism of Obama and what she practices in her own state. I've yet to see anyone attempt to explain why one is okay and not the other.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:48 PM
 
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Again, as Ray said, the Permanent Fund is an investment fund.


Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation (http://www.apfc.org/home/Content/reportspublications/tp5-2.cfm - broken link)



So are you saying that you disagree with Obama's ideas on an oil windfall tax the lower forty eight?

Do you think the tax should be removed in Alaska? You would be in agreement with the Republican party if so.

Do you think that it would have enough effect on the price of a barrel of oil to reduce your heating fuel and gas bills?
No I am saying that I do not see the dreaded commie lurking under every tax. I am saying that if you are going to go around the country using words you do not understand like socialist and communist, then be prepared to be tagged with those terms yourself when your record is studied. I am not against Alaskans getting the money, I am just saying if it is good for Alaska, why is it somehow a handout for the rest of us? The idea that someone who did exactly what Obama proposed has the temerity to call him a socialist in a loathing manner makes her a fool.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:49 PM
 
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I've yet to see anyone attempt to explain why one is okay and not the other.
That was hardly my point here. I'm not a Palin supporter. I simply get tired of the misconceptions concerning Alaska that get posted here from time to time.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:54 PM
 
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Then maybe you should stay there with your school system, as most up here would agree...We have a state that tries to take care of it's own....do you pay $10.00 a gallon for gas in your vehicle as some here, and probably more..., you would say let's send the money to Africa, or Indonesia, or wherever,....as is done, whether than VA take care of her own, what about all the coal mine workers there injured????
A state that takes care of its own? A nanny state? A state that redistributes wealth? A state that takes federal funds for projects perhaps? A state that takes advantage of every federal program it can. From what I remember from a good friend who worked in your schools, she was paid by the federal govt and not the state funds, but I do not know that for sure anymore.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:55 PM
 
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I am just saying if it is good for Alaska, why is it somehow a handout for the rest of us? The idea that someone who did exactly what Obama proposed has the temerity to call him a socialist in a loathing manner makes her a fool.
Of course she looks like a fool; she is one. But the analogy in this thread just doesn't take. It's my understanding that her misgivings about Obama's tax policies are in regards to his personal income tax plan, and not to corporate excise taxes. They seem to be on rather the same page on the latter.

She goes around calling people commies and whatever else because that is what she has been told to do by her handlers. It's that simple.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:57 PM
 
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That was hardly my point here. I'm not a Palin supporter. I simply get tired of the misconceptions concerning Alaska that get posted here from time to time.
Well the reason is we get told that Alaska is a bastion of pioneer capitalism while all the time it is a huge government run corporation for the most part. And good that the state is getting money out of the situation, but to call foul on socialism as she reaps the benefits of it, is just ludicrous.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Casa Grande, AZ
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Granny, you're not too hip to "teh" internet lingo.

I'd respond more, but the rest of it is completely incoherent. I'll pass on moving to Alaska, as I don't plan on ever moving anywhere colder than where I currently live. I'd love to vacation there one day, though.

And just to reiterate, the point of all of this is the complete double standard Sarah Palin has with her criticism of Obama and what she practices in her own state. I've yet to see anyone attempt to explain why one is okay and not the other.
Exactly, but I live on the internet for my work daily, and google is my best friend, but no I do not circle in the mentality of teh...LOL, I have a few unspeelling posts..., will give you that Not moving to Alaska, many could not, they cannot deal with prices "up here versus down there"....it is not a double standard though, she has to and has had to deal with what has been put forth here for years (thank God for the people here) but it is a token payment, does not come close to covering costs for those that need it, she would not have a chance in HE...double LL of changing that...doesn't matter if she agrees or not, she cannot change that...(she does benefit though)....I am not a defender of Palin until it comes to crap like this that affects Alaska as a whole....She cannot change what came years before her..., I believe the country as a whole should take on taking care of it's own first...IMHO....
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