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Why is this use of taxes to give a dividend check to every Alaskan acceptable, but any other use of taxes decried as "redistributing wealth"?
Your governor made it explicitly clear in the past week that any attempt at "spreading the wealth" through tax policy (which is what taxes do, by definition) is a bad thing.
Yet her state practices the most visible application of this compared to anywhere else in America, real or fake. So, since she apparently didn't have a problem with any of this in Alaska, both through pushing through an increase on the PDF dividend check for each resident, and continuing to receive the most federal funds of any state in the union, what ground does she have to stand on to criticize Obama now?
You still don't get it, don't you? Somewhere above there was a link to the PFD (Permanent Fund Dividend). It's not "wealth distribution" simply because the money is not taken by the government from the rich and given to the poor, but is money that belongs to each Alaskan, and managed not by the government of Alaska, but by a group of Alaska residents, and invested in the market.
Wealth distribution would be to tax rich Alaskans, and giving the money to poor Alaskans. Alaskans also pay federal tax from the PFD money received, so in a way the Federal Government is taking our money and giving it to you and others in the lower-48 States. This last portion is indeed wealth distribution.
By the way, there is no reason why every State in the nation can't have a PDF, unless there are no natural resources of any kind in the State. For example, if there is mining taking place in your state and you have the right leaders, some of the State revenue from mining can be allocated to a PFD just like Alaska. People from around the world have been studying our PFD, and some have created similar funds for their people.
I didn't elect her. I also declined to receive the PFD.
You live in the fake America...I take it you elected George Bush?
I am actually ok with whatever the good citizens of Alaska work out, it is the Gov acting like some capitalist guru all of a sudden that just gripes us all. Our states would love to have that type of windfall in taxes and in investment, but it is a definite mixing of government and private. Look at the pipeline she is always talking about, other than permissions, the private industries should be paying for and paying permits for the entire thing. She is just such a naked emperor!! and you guys are grand and i hope you all get a big giant moose for your freezer (yummy).
[quote=RayinAK;5798400]You still don't get it, don't you? Somewhere above there was a link to the PFD (Permanent Fund Dividend). It's not "wealth distribution" simply because the money is not taken by the government from the rich and given to the poor, but is money that belongs to each Alaskan, and managed not by the government of Alaska, but by a group of Alaska residents, and invested in the market.
Wealth distribution would be to tax rich Alaskans, and giving the money to poor Alaskans.[/quote
it is socialistic though because it government intrusion into a private company, it was a government reparation to begin with, no?
the tax windfall was taken from the owners (shareholders) and given to Alaskans.
it really has nothing to do with the have and have nots, if we tax the middle class and subsidize the steel industry it is still socialism
I am actually ok with whatever the good citizens of Alaska work out, it is the Gov acting like some capitalist guru all of a sudden that just gripes us all. Our states would love to have that type of windfall in taxes and in investment, but it is a definite mixing of government and private. Look at the pipeline she is always talking about, other than permissions, the private industries should be paying for and paying permits for the entire thing. She is just such a naked emperor!! and you guys are grand and i hope you all get a big giant moose for your freezer (yummy).
Again, you are misinformed. The pipeline she has been talking about is a proposed natural gas pipeline she and the legislature approved for constructing in the near future. Such a project would take perhaps ten years from now. The PDF is not mixing the government and the private sector, but a fund created by Alaska leaders from the private sector. Some of them became governors, majors, and and such, however.
Also, please allow me to explain something: no company is going to build any pipeline that runs on Alaska soil, or Canada's, without the State and Canada paying for a portion of its construction. Look at your own city, and pay attention to construction projects signed to bring in business from outside into your city. You will notice that such projects take place only after the city gives the business tax breaks, and sell the land at a discounted price. No company is going to come to Alaska and build a $multi-billion pipeline out of their own pocket, since it's not their natural gas or oil that's going to flow through it. If Alaska wants a pipeline, Alaska must pay for a portion if not all of it.
I fought it with all the life in me. But, he scared he bejaysus out of the home of the brave and they caved!!! I actually lost a job with a military contractor because I campaigned for Kerry.
I admit I did, because I had a son in the military overseas and would not trust Kerry to do anything with the mess we were already in, not because I believed, I was trying to look out for our kids in the military...
You still don't get it, don't you? Somewhere above there was a link to the PFD (Permanent Fund Dividend). It's not "wealth distribution" simply because the money is not taken by the government from the rich and given to the poor, but is money that belongs to each Alaskan, and managed not by the government of Alaska, but by a group of Alaska residents, and invested in the market.
Wealth distribution would be to tax rich Alaskans, and giving the money to poor Alaskans.[/quote
it is socialistic though because it government intrusion into a private company, it was a government reparation to begin with, no?
the tax windfall was taken from the owners (shareholders) and given to Alaskans.
it really has nothing to do with the have and have nots, if we tax the middle class and subsidize the steel industry it is still socialism
Please inform yourself. Go to this link, and read the history of the PDF, and what it is. And please notice that the PDF web site is not an AK government site.
Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation (http://www.apfc.org/home/Content/permFund/aboutPermFund.cfm - broken link)
Again, you are misinformed. The pipeline she has been talking about is a proposed natural gas pipeline she and the legislature approved for constructing in the near future. Such a project would take perhaps ten years from now. The PDF is not mixing the government and the private sector, but a fund created by Alaska leaders from the private sector. Some of them became governors, majors, and and such, however.
Also, please allow me to explain something: no company is going to build any pipeline that runs on Alaska soil, or Canada's, without the State and Canada paying for a portion of its construction. Look at your own city, and pay attention to construction projects signed to bring in business from outside into your city. You will notice that such projects take place only after the city gives the business tax breaks, and sell the land at a discounted price. No company is going to come to Alaska and build a $multi-billion pipeline out of their own pocket, since it's not their natural gas or oil that's going to flow through it. If Alaska wants a pipeline, Alaska must pay for a portion if not all of it.
No one but the Governor seems to think such horrible state/private things are bad. I am perfectly content to see govt subsidize private business because it benefits all of us. However, the governor must cease and desist in her notion and pronouncements that she does not beleive in socialist philosophies. No one is ragging on Alaska, we are disgusted with Gov Palin's inability to speak the truth about the situation she has in Alaska.
No one but the Governor seems to think such horrible state/private things are bad. I am perfectly content to see govt subsidize private business because it benefits all of us. However, the governor must cease and desist in her notion and pronouncements that she does not beleive in socialist philosophies. No one is ragging on Alaska, we are disgusted with Gov Palin's inability to speak the truth about the situation she has in Alaska.
I agree totally if she said that, I have not heard as am so tired of this whole thing...but once again, the PDF is not her doing, was long before her, and my question would be not to Alaska, but to her as to whether or not she and her family has received and accepted the PFD and fuel credit when she is supposedly denouncing the whole idea...if that is the case...,is not with the state of Alaska, as the rest should do the same with their resources...residents of WY more than likely do not get mineral rights with their property when bought, so who does...please stop blaming us for Gov Palin, do we blame Arizona for McCain (I love AZ), Illinois for Obama, or Delaware for Biden, I bet not....Have a good night all...just a few more days....
, I have not heard as am so tired of this whole thing...but once again, the PDF is not her doing, was long before her, and my question would be not to Alaska, but to her as to whether or not she and her family has received and accepted the PFD and fuel credit when she is supposedly denouncing the whole idea.
Oh hell; you can bet they all scarfed up on that.
I think she only threw in the fuel credit to keep Hugo Chavez from paying some of the heating bills for rural Alaska again.
No one but the Governor seems to think such horrible state/private things are bad. I am perfectly content to see govt subsidize private business because it benefits all of us. However, the governor must cease and desist in her notion and pronouncements that she does not beleive in socialist philosophies. No one is ragging on Alaska, we are disgusted with Gov Palin's inability to speak the truth about the situation she has in Alaska.
It seems that you are fixed on Palin, and have no room to see anything else.
-The PDF is not her creation
-The natural gas pipeline is to benefit the residents, specially the ones in the interior of Alaska where residents must heat their homes by the use of heating oil.
Heating oil costs from $4.00 per gallon around Fairbanks, to perhaps $7.00 per gallon in the villages far away from the rest of Alaska. To heat my 1,700 Sq.-foot of living space costs me approximately $600.00 per month x 12 months per year. Can you imagine how much villagers are paying to stay warm? If I were to heat my home with natural gas, I would be paying around $250.00 per month during the winter months only, and perhaps $30.00 per month during the summer.
The socialism she speaks of is the "distribution of wealth," which means: taking from those who have in the form of taxes, and giving it to those who don't. The PDF belongs to every Alaskan, rich and poor, black and white, gay and straight, young and old, cripple or not, deaf or not, and so forth. Even the drunks in the streets receive a portion of the PFD, as long as they are AK residents.
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