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Old 10-21-2008, 03:22 PM
 
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I remember growing up in Connecticut and joining my parents in the curtained booth with the levers and pulleys. I would have loved to vote using one of those, but I had moved out of state by the time I was old enough to vote.
That machine you posted is...daunting!

Either way, I find it hard to believe that I can go to an ATM 10 times a week and never have a problem, but computerized voting has so many horror stories.

Why do we not have small receipts that are given to a voter when exiting the machine that shows all votes?

Is it that difficult? I mean, the stakes are certainly pretty high, right?
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Old 10-21-2008, 03:27 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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That machine you posted is...daunting!

Either way, I find it hard to believe that I can go to an ATM 10 times a week and never have a problem, but computerized voting has so many horror stories.

Why do we not have small receipts that are given to a voter when exiting the machine that shows all votes?

Is it that difficult? I mean, the stakes are certainly pretty high, right?

Exactly my feelings! I've never had a problem with an ATM (unless it wasn't working) and I've been using them for about 30 years.
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Old 10-22-2008, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Home is where the heart is
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The more I hear about machine voting, the more I think people should request paper ballots if they're given a choice.
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:00 AM
 
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Paper for sure. And not the kind with chads- the kind where you fill in a dot with a permanent black marker.
I had a paper ballot and you connected the left side of an arrow to the right side of the arrow with a line.
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:05 AM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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I've never used anything but paper ballots where you mark them with a pen either to fill in the box or connect the arrow. Filling in the box somehow felt more satisfying.
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:11 AM
 
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I've been managing computers for a living for over 30 years. There are way too many ways, both unintentional and otherwise, that computers can cause problems that will change vote counts. Hanging chads were bad, computers are worse.
Computers can be used to do it effectively and efficiently. Sure, there are problems, but no different than that of paper ballots. In fact, with proper methods of hashing and key exchange processes, computer voting can be much easier and more secure than paper. That won't happen though as people have an almost "mystical" fear of computers concerning things like this.
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:12 AM
 
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PAPER!! (sorry trees)
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:15 AM
 
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We use the paper ballots where you color in the circle with a marker. Then you walk it over and feed it into a machine. I don't understand why this is not done everywhere. You have the machine count it and then you have the ballots as a back up. To me this is the best way to go and would prevent many of the problems we hear about. Also it would be more cost efficient than these million dollar computers that constantly malfunction and can be hacked into.

I love technology, but sometimes simpler is better.
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:23 AM
 
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Exactly my feelings! I've never had a problem with an ATM (unless it wasn't working) and I've been using them for about 30 years.
ATMs have 24x7 video surveillance to make sure nobody tampers with them, they are hooked up to security systems, and many of them are locked inside of banks.

Voting machines have no video surveillance, no security systems, are frequently left alone and unwatched for days where almost anyone can get to them.

See the difference?
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:24 AM
 
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We use the paper ballots where you color in the circle with a marker. Then you walk it over and feed it into a machine. I don't understand why this is not done everywhere. You have the machine count it and then you have the ballots as a back up. To me this is the best way to go and would prevent many of the problems we hear about. Also it would be more cost efficient than these million dollar computers that constantly malfunction and can be hacked into.

I love technology, but sometimes simpler is better.
Well, you can achieve similar results with a paper backup in a computer system that allows voters to verify their results after they have cast. For transmittal, various techniques of security concepts could then be used for transmittal in order to insure privacy of the exchange as well as integrity of the exchange. If setup properly, it would be infinitely easier to rig paper ballots than it would be to rig electronic ones.
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