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Obama is proof of voting party lines. With all the controversy with past associates of questionable character, and known socialist. It seems that know cares, other then he is a Democrat and is saying what itchy ears want to hear. Please wake up America before it is too late. Granted McCain is not the picture perfect Republican at least his associates are clean. Does character matter anymore?
Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."
Let him testify in a court of law (under oath) where he has been told he was born according to his grandmother and [now] deceased mother. Also, ask him specific questions about when, and how, he obtained a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. Ask him to produce the long form of his birth certificate. this can all be handled in a court. He's a lawyer - he knows the ramifications of lying under oath. Also, let the court ask him if he stated on his State Bar application that he had never used any name other than Barack Hussein Obama, yet he has admitted going by the first name of "Barry" and the last name of "Soetoro".
Ok. I suspct that your preferences will go unaddressed, though to me they have each already been dealt with in a manner akin to your requests, with the last being other than timely, but already in process.
He's already sworn under pains and penalties of perjury that he is a United States citizen, - probably a bunch of times by now. He's sworn at least once where he was born, again under pain and penalty of perjury. He knows the ramifications of lying then, as you noted. Why would doing it in front of a judge different?
The when/how is already stipulated - it was prepared on June 6, 2007. As with many people, one requests a copy of a birth certificate when one needs it. (I've done it once or twice, myself.)
As for the state bar application, it's a lot simpler:
a) A complaint has already been filed against him with the Illinois Bar - this is their issue to resolve, and not anybody else's.
b) The court would not ask him that - it's none of their business unless that issue comes up in its own case.
b) There is no Presidential issue to resolve here. Even if he were found to have been in violation (which I don't believe a guardian's statements would lead him to be), nothing about that would preclude his being President. I also sincerely doubt that even if it were discovered that he claimed not to have been called Barry that it would change very many votes at all - like none.
As part of what I mean by that is that if he did all of the things you are requesting exactly as you've requested them, I would bet that you are still not going to vote for him!
I can't set up a congressional hearing anymore than you can...
I think all four of the candidates should prove their eligibility and answer questions under oath.
so "my friend" how about you start a signature campaign at the local level, contact your mayor, governor, congressman/congresswomen, senator.... to have a congressional hearing setup where all both presidential hopefuls & their running mates "testify under oath in a congressional hearing" as you desired.... Have faith Koot, all of us here want the truth
Pls keep the forum here posted, We believe none of the four (presidential candidates & their running mates) should have anything to hide....
Lets do this the "CORRECT" way & lets you & I and the rest of us Koot not deginerate ourselves to heresay... you willing to extend your hand here???????
Let's see what happens... Suits are being filed in numerous states based on enough evidence that a judge will make him prove his eligibility to be President. All it takes is one - and let him prove it. It's just that simple.
Most of you do not want Obama to prove his eligibility? Why? Are you afraid he won't pass the test? I think so! You should want this cleared up... All Americans, whetehr they plan to vote for him or not should...
2nd part first:
Your assertion is false. We believe it's already proven and that folks are grasping at straws to try to keep Obama out. And, I suspect, most of us believe that most of the doubters are not going to be convinced by anything constituting reasonable proof.
1st part second:
Given that in two federal court cases - one each for McCain and Obama, two federal judges have ruled that the plaintiffs lacked standing, it seems to me that the other federal judges are very likely to go the same root.
Further, from the few hints listed in the press, it sounded as if nothing in the "evidence" was even remotely convincing to the judges in either case. I expect we will know this for sure (one way or the other) in the near future.
I have lived long enough to have had 12 presidents and even more presidential elections. In all of these years I have NEVER seen ANY candidate's citizenship questioned and NEVER heard of ANY candidate sued to demand he present his birth certificate. Isn't it an amazing coincidence that the first time this occurs just HAPPENS to be when the candidate is a black man with a name that is not Anglo Saxon sounding. I've had enough of this racist nonsense and will never again waste the time or energy to even open a thread on this subject let alone reply to it.
That is because no other candidate running for President has ever had a non-American father, and lived and went to school in other countries as a young man. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin or his name. It has everything to do with whether he complies with the requirements of being able to hold the office of the President of the United States as stated in the Constitution. It also has to do with whether Obama has lied about his birthplace and obtaining a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii and stating that he was born in Hawaii when all indications point to him being born in Kenya to an American woman and a non-American father, which would mean (without doubt) that Obama is not a natural born American citizen which he must be to be President of the U.S.
I strongly suspect that Obama's State Bar application says he was born in Hawaii. I strongly suspect that his Columbia undergraduate and Harvard Law School documents states that he was born in KENYA, and that is why he will not produce those documents... I also strongly suspect that Obama stated on his State Bar application that he never used any name other than Barack Hussein Obama, which everybody has heard him say he used to be known as Barry in school...and also known with the last name of his adopted father in Indonesia as Soetoro. Did he lie? Enough evidence says that he has lied!!! Don't you want to know the truth about this man that has a different kind of background - whether he is black, white green, purple or blue...or whether his name is Lincoln, Smith, Brown, Jones or Obama? I thinks, if anything, Obama would want to come forward and let the American people know that he was fully eligible - but he has not. Why?
Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."
2nd part first:
Your assertion is false. We believe it's already proven and that folks are grasping at straws to try to keep Obama out. And, I suspect, most of us believe that most of the doubters are not going to be convinced by anything constituting reasonable proof.
1st part second:
Given that in two federal court cases - one each for McCain and Obama, two federal judges have ruled that the plaintiffs lacked standing, it seems to me that the other federal judges are very likely to go the same root.
Further, from the few hints listed in the press, it sounded as if nothing in the "evidence" was even remotely convincing to the judges in either case. I expect we will know this for sure (one way or the other) in the near future.
Yes, we hopefully will know in the near future. The case is being appealed to the Supreme Court next week.
200810252343 | Lawsuit Against Obama Dismissed, Appeal Goes to US Supreme Court | / | Editorial (http://www.rightsidenews.com/200810252343/editorial/lawsuit-against-obama-dismissed-appeal-goes-to-us-supreme-court.html - broken link)
Let's just hope if Obama wins the election that we don't learn afterwards that he was not eligible. Then what happens?
when all indications point to him being born in Kenya
This is where your line ceases to make sense to me. "All indications" seem to me to suggest that he was born in Hawaii.
Certification of Birth that the state vouches for, newspaper announcement, and U.S. Passport.
There has been ZERO concrete evidence in the other direction.
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Originally Posted by Kooter
I strongly suspect that Obama's State Bar application says he was born in Hawaii. I strongly suspect that his Columbia undergraduate and Harvard Law School documents states that he was born in KENYA, and that is why he will not produce those documents... I also strongly suspect that Obama stated on his State Bar application that he never used any name other than Barack Hussein Obama, which everybody has heard him say he used to be known as Barry in school...and also known with the last name of his adopted father in Indonesia as Soetoro. Did he lie? Enough evidence says that he has lied!!!
Suspicions, suspicions, suspicions.
I confess that I can't understand why he would claim Kenyan birth for Columbia and Harvard, as it would reduce his chances of admittance and financial aid.
And again, you keep using the word evidence. In the immortal words of S. Morgenstern's Inigo Montoya, "I do not think that word means what you think it means."
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Originally Posted by Kooter
I thinks, if anything, Obama would want to come forward and let the American people know that he was fully eligible - but he has not. Why?
He did. The vast majority of us believe him. This does not make us right to do so, but it does mean that we believe he's met that standard.
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Agreed....
