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Old 11-06-2008, 10:04 PM
 
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Yes, my comment was based upon reading the article (I can "speed read" some types of articles). Obama is going to disappoint a lot of folks, but I suspect he will be more inclined to support the "coastal liberal" sentiments than you may think. I believe that one significant difference we may have in how we view Obama is that I suspect he really isn't much of a leader with strong philosophical bearings (say, in contrast to someone like Paul or Kucinich), rather I think he is a "consensus builder" who will generally be building a larger group around the ideas and concepts of Nancy Pelosi.
I don't disagree with your assertion that he is a consensus builder as everything I have seen so far seems to also indicate this. Which is why I say that coastal liberals are likely to be more disappointed than moderate Republicans. In fact, he made a statement to that effect either in his acceptance speech or just before.

I see Obama as viewing himself as some kind of modern FDR or even to a lesser degree a Reaganesque figure (not literally) but in the sense of not wanting to be just President but being a President of a generation. In order to do this I suspect he will have to seriously reach across the aisle in order to build a broader based coalition in Congress, after all, where else are the hard left going to go? As you yourself pointed out, he is appearing to be a consensus kind of guy, and that would seem to indicate something broader than just Democrats.

I may be completely wrong, but I suspect here in the next four months we will get an idea of where he plans on heading. I just think the surprise will be on the left more than the middle.
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:06 PM
 
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Principled conservative DID endorse Obama by the time election day rolled around.

Did you see ROVE today? He said that Obama ran a CENTER-RIGHT CONSERVATIVE campaign. Translation: The charge that Obama is a "socialist" was untrue from the start. No kidding. I wasn't fooled. Sadly, millions were.

I noticed that too! Maybe Rove isn't happy and FOX and is looking for a slot in the Obama administration. (chuckling)
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Yes, my comment was based upon reading the article (I can "speed read" some types of articles). Obama is going to disappoint a lot of folks, but I suspect he will be more inclined to support the "coastal liberal" sentiments than you may think. I believe that one significant difference we may have in how we view Obama is that I suspect he really isn't much of a leader with strong philosophical bearings (say, in contrast to someone like Paul or Kucinich), rather I think he is a "consensus builder" who will generally be building a larger group around the ideas and concepts of Nancy Pelosi.
I agree that he is a consensus builder which is why his cabinet picks are important. However, I think he and Nancy will have a lot more disagreement than most expect. She's going to want to go above and beyond. I listened to her yesterday on NPR. She's got a HUGE spending program she wants to roll out from the very start. And while Obama will want to tackle some things right away, they will likely disagree on how to do it. Like SCHIP and the next stimulus package.
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:07 PM
 
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I noticed that too! Maybe Rove isn't happy and FOX and is looking for a slot in the Obama administration. (chuckling)
Damn! I had the same thought. The weasel just wants to be in the limelight, keep feeding his ego.
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:08 PM
 
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Damn! I had the same thought. The weasel just wants to be in the limelight, keep feeding his ego.
If you see Lieberman standing behind Rove... beware!
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:08 PM
 
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Damn! I had the same thought. The weasel just wants to be in the limelight, keep feeding his ego.
Obama would never. He's lose the support of even moderate Democrats who see Rove as the epitome of the current GOP.
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:09 PM
 
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If you see Lieberman standing behind Rove... beware!
Lieberman is done in 2010. Reid is going to take away his chair. Without that, AIPAC has no reason to support his reelection. Poor guy. McCain was his ticket out. I have no sympathy for him though.
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:13 PM
 
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However, I think he and Nancy will have a lot more disagreement than most expect.
I agree and I wonder that his pick of Rahm Emanuel is partly to deal with her. From what I've read Emanuel is said to have considerable sway with her.
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:13 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Principled conservative DID endorse Obama by the time election day rolled around.

Did you see ROVE today? He said that Obama ran a CENTER-RIGHT CONSERVATIVE campaign. Translation: The charge that Obama is a "socialist" was untrue from the start. No kidding. I wasn't fooled. Sadly, millions were.
Indeed. The "Obama is a Socialist" claims were garbage from the start. Obama is far more in the center than most folks on this board realize.

Ken
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:18 PM
 
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I agree and I wonder that his pick of Rahm Emanuel is partly to deal with her. From what I've read Emanuel is said to have considerable sway with her.
I suspect he would. And AIPAC has considerable sway with the son of an admitted Jewish terrorist. AIPAC also has a lot of sway with Nancy. So I guess we'll see where they end up clashing rather than agreeing. I bet it will be over spending.

Emanuel's father, Dr. Benjamin Emanuel, said he was convinced that his son's appointment would be good for Israel. "Obviously he will influence the president to be pro-Israel," he was quoted as saying. "Why wouldn't he be? What is he, an Arab? He's not going to clean the floors of the White House."

So there's that.

But when it comes to spending, Obama will have to make choices Nancy hasn't been willing to make. If he really intends to give tax cuts to the middle class, he'll have to cut some projects she may not agree with.

we’re looking at a government that might need to borrow more than $2.5 trillion over the next two quarters, which would mean that the Treasury would be borrowing more than one-third of total Gross Domestic Product.
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