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Old 11-10-2008, 03:58 PM
 
Location: USA
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government spending, thats liberal, not conservaitve, he has never claimed he supported nuclear energy, he is against off shore drilling, he wants to raise taxes on businesses, yippee about man/woman marriages, thats a state issue, not federal, and the same for the death penalty, but that one issue hardly qualifies him as "center"..
What are you talking about? Conservatives from Reagan to G.W. Bush have caused budget deficits from, you guessed it, government spending. They all spend.

Yes, he has supported safe nuclear energy and off-shore drilling, but obviously you never listened.

He wants to lower taxes on small businesses, but again, you weren't listening or chose not to read the 40+ PDF document on his website that details his plans.
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Old 11-10-2008, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Cary - A great town for me
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Exactly, Obama will govern from the center. The problem with the OP is that for the last 8 years Bush has governed from the right with overtures made to the far-right. So to people like the OP anything not of those two camps is seen as far-left.

Actually, Bush has governed from the left, so I do not care for his policies either. Spend, spend spend....typical Liberal.
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Old 11-10-2008, 04:00 PM
 
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AND DumBO WILL HAVE MY RESPECT WHEN HE EARNS IT ALSO. TO THIS POINT, I DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE STANDS FOR POLICY WISE. IF HE CHANGES HIS VIEWS AND GOVERNS FROM THE CENTER, THEN I WILL GIVE HIM RESPSECT.

Also, this was not meant to be typed in CAPS, but the caps were on and I did not notice it and I am to lazy to retype.

See my previous post. Obama is much more of a centrist than the right makes him out to be. In fact, I kind of wish he'd move farther to the left, but oh well.
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Old 11-10-2008, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Cary - A great town for me
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See my previous post. Obama is much more of a centrist than the right makes him out to be. In fact, I kind of wish he'd move farther to the left, but oh well.

I have read your posts and all the information seems to be inaccurate. It seems like to much kool-aid has been drunk.

But let's please get back to the original question on moderate to conservative Democrats saving us from the Socialist.
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Old 11-10-2008, 04:05 PM
 
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What are you talking about? Conservatives from Reagan to G.W. Bush have caused budget deficits from, you guessed it, government spending. They all spend.

Yes, he has supported safe nuclear energy and off-shore drilling, but obviously you never listened.

He wants to lower taxes on small businesses, but again, you weren't listening or chose not to read the 40+ PDF document on his website that details his plans.
Obama said nuclear was worth considering, he doesnt support it..
Here, Obama criticized McCain for supporting off shore drilling Obama ridicules McCain's plan to tap offshore oil

Obama wants to raise taxes, by taking them back to pre-bush levels. (FYI, most "SMALL" businesses file their taxes as a DBA), thereby if you increase the taxes to pre-bush levels, your increasing taxes on small businesses.

Sorry, but I very well listen to his plans, in great detail...
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Old 11-10-2008, 04:09 PM
 
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I have read your posts and all the information seems to be inaccurate. It seems like to much kool-aid has been drunk.

But let's please get back to the original question on moderate to conservative Democrats saving us from the Socialist.
Actually, I'm an independent who uses facts. Thanks though.
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Old 11-10-2008, 04:15 PM
 
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Obama said nuclear was worth considering, he doesnt support it..
Here, Obama criticized McCain for supporting off shore drilling Obama ridicules McCain's plan to tap offshore oil

Obama wants to raise taxes, by taking them back to pre-bush levels. (FYI, most "SMALL" businesses file their taxes as a DBA), thereby if you increase the taxes to pre-bush levels, your increasing taxes on small businesses.

Sorry, but I very well listen to his plans, in great detail...
A lot of rational people criticized the republicans "drill baby drill" plan because it's an archaic way of thinking. It'd be like hyping typewriters during the early stages of the personal computer movement.

Look again, the plan is to lower capital gains taxes for small businesses.
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Old 11-10-2008, 04:18 PM
 
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A lot of rational people criticized the republicans "drill baby drill" plan because it's an archaic way of thinking. It'd be like hyping typewriters during the early stages of the personal computer movement.

Look again, the plan is to lower capital gains taxes for small businesses.
Wait, you went from Obama supporting drilling to now he opposes it because its "archaic"..

And onto his capital gains taxes, Obama Capital Gains Tax Hike Would Hit N.Y. Hard - July 15, 2008 - The New York Sun

Mr. Obama is proposing to raise taxes on capital gains and dividends by a staggering two-thirds, moving the rate up 10 percentage points to 25%, which could curtail investment and business on Wall Street, a backbone of the city's and state's economy.

Do you even know what your own candidates plans are?
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Old 11-10-2008, 04:23 PM
 
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Wait, you went from Obama supporting drilling to now he opposes it because its "archaic"..
No, it's archaic to assume that drilling offshore will take care of energy independence. Obama knew this, that's why he suggested that it should be part of the plan, not the backbone like so many conservatives yearn for.

As for the capital gains, what that article doesn't mention is that most small businesses don't make over 250k a year, therefore they get a tax break, not a tax hike.
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Old 11-10-2008, 04:36 PM
 
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No, it's archaic to assume that drilling offshore will take care of energy independence. Obama knew this, that's why he suggested that it should be part of the plan, not the backbone like so many conservatives yearn for.
Thats not what you stated..
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Yes, he has supported safe nuclear energy and off-shore drilling, but obviously you never listened.
You clearly stated that he supports drilling when in fact, he doesnt.. Not even as "part of the plan"..
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He wants to lower taxes on small businesses, but again, you weren't listening or chose not to read the 40+ PDF document on his website that details his plans.
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As for the capital gains, what that article doesn't mention is that most small businesses don't make over 250k a year, therefore they get a tax break, not a tax hike.
You have selective dreams.. All you need to do is look at the continued crash of the stock market to understand that people are selling their stocks at a loss, rather then pay the new tax increases being proposed.. Who's being hurt the most? Those that dont have the capital to cash out.. i.e. the poor guys..
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