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Maybe it's good that the military has had to lower their standards so much in order to recruit.
Gang members, ex-cons, and high school dropouts are all welcome! But if you've got a Ph.D. in Arabic languages and recommendations from employers and you happen to be a homo - then stay the hell away. The military can do without your kind, ya f-ing fagg*t.
Au contraire. Your service is welcome and appreciated.
All the military asks is that you concentrate on the translations rather than on demanding to carry the rainbow flag in brigade reviews.
All the military asks is that you concentrate on the translations rather than on demanding to carry the rainbow flag in brigade reviews.
What kind of a statement is that? You think that only flamboyant homosexuals get fired?
Army dismisses gay Arabic linguist
Decorated soldier ‘outed’ by anonymous e-mail never admitted to charges
JOHNSON CITY, Tenn. - A decorated sergeant and Arabic language specialist was dismissed from the U.S. Army under the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, though he says he never admitted being gay and his accuser was never identified.
Bleu Copas, 30, told The Associated Press he is gay, but said he was “outed” by a stream of anonymous e-mails to his superiors in the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, N.C.
What kind of a statement is that? You think that only flamboyant homosexuals get fired?
Army dismisses gay Arabic linguist
Decorated soldier ‘outed’ by anonymous e-mail never admitted to charges
JOHNSON CITY, Tenn. - A decorated sergeant and Arabic language specialist was dismissed from the U.S. Army under the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, though he says he never admitted being gay and his accuser was never identified.
Bleu Copas, 30, told The Associated Press he is gay, but said he was “outed” by a stream of anonymous e-mails to his superiors in the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, N.C.
If this abbreviated version of the incident is accurate, that is indeed a shame. Unfortunately, petty retaliation often has negative consequences for everyone involved. In this case, the sergeant in question lost his career, the Army lost a skilled inguist, and the accuser picked up a truckload of bad karma.
It's not like ex-Sergeant Copas was unaware of the risk, however:
“I knew the policy going in,” Copas said in an interview on the campus of East Tennessee State University, where he is pursuing a master’s degree in counseling and working as a student adviser. “I knew it was going to be difficult.”
Yeah, there are gays in the military now. Absolutely nothing is stopping them from serving. So why do they need to throw in our faces? There might be a gay guy showering next to me in the barracks, but I don't guess I can worry much about it if I don't know about it. But once it comes out into the open, how is it any different than letting a man male shower with the females? A gay guy may not actually want to hit on me in the shower, but I can just as easily say I wouldn't necessarily hit on the females were I to shower with them...but I still think those females might be a little uneasy at the idea of a male showering with them...
How do you even prove that someone is gay or straight unless you have testimony from someone who has had sex with the person? And even then, we know that behavior does not determine sexual orientation alone. A gay guy could have sex with a woman; it wouldn't mean he's suddenly straight. A straight guy could have sex with a man; it wouldn't mean he's suddenly gay.
What if rumors start up about a hetero guy, the hetero guy denies that he's gay, but everyone still continues to believe that he is gay? Should that hetero guy be banned from taking showers with the other guys?
I'm not interested in denying any people their rights, so long as they do not infringe on those of others. As a combat veteran myself, it made no difference to me whether or not the men I served with were gay -- and I know that some probably were. If I had known which ones were, however, I would certainly have been uncomfortable showering with them. That doesn't make me a monkey or a bigot. But it does point out that their proclivities would be an infringement of my rights.
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No one is talking about rights. We're talking about military unit cohesion and good discipline. The UCMJ, to be exact. I'm sure you're famiiar with it. Besides, I'm sure I've showered with gay men many times.
You were the one that brought up your 'right's' being infringed upon by allowing gays to openly serve; twas not I. Since you made such a statement, I had to question you on it.
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You have me confused with another poster.
No, I adressed him directly. I only quoted you for my first statement.
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I have no idea what effect repealing DADT would have on enlistment levels. I do think that it would be detrimental to UNIT morale -- particularly on the platoon level. That has been my consistent postion throughout this thread.
How would repealing the DADT be detrimental to unit morale?
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p.s. I didn't join the army. I was drafted.
Okay...so how does this tid bit contribute to not allowing gays to openly serve?
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Not me. I want the most macho, ugly, violent military we can possibly have. Kind of like the bad guys have. We're not going to defeat them by showing them how sensitive and progressive we are. We can leave that to the diplomats.
Ok, so in essence you are saying that gays will some how show sensitivty to the enemy when they are following orders? It seems as if you're getting at that gays are more sensitive and are not 'macho' enough to complete the mission; correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't want to have a misunderstanding.
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When I was in combat, I was truly thankful to have some the violent nuts in my platoon who loved to lay down fire and kill things. Why, I even pretended to like country --- and soul --- music.
Has it ever occured to you that those "violent nuts" could be gay? Orientation does not effect how one will fair in battle.
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Maybe it's good that the military has had to lower their standards so much in order to recruit. We want tough guys, right?
Gang members, ex-cons, and high school dropouts are all welcome! But if you've got a Ph.D. in Arabic languages and recommendations from employers and you happen to be a homo - then stay the hell away. The military can do without your kind, ya f-ing fagg*t.
I just burst out into laughter. I would rep ya if I could.
I just burst out into laughter. I would rep ya if I could.
lol... Thank you! It's good to know that there are other signs of intelligent life here.
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