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It could have been Hitler. It could have been me, but why would I care, I wouldn't be here.
If it's murder, or killing in your mind, than how is it ok in any situation?
Hitler became what he was because of his choices. Abortion is not a choice for the person whose life is taken.
Abortion is not an opinion, it is not "killing in (my) mind". Abortion is KILLING period, the taking of life, in this case human life.
In the probably extremely rare case where abortion is a matter of the life of the mother or of the unborn child, there is some justification, as there is for taking the life of a murderer condemned to death in a court of law.
Well, if America didn't want this... we wouldn't have voted for him. We all knew he was "pro-choice." Surely his actions are no surprise (it isn't to me). Anti-abortion people voted for Obama also, they are the one's that should be criticized. Obama made it clear what he stood for on this issue so what's the point of getting all worked up now...
Good points. I guess for me it's because now it's not just a campaign promise, it's an actual executive order announced today assigning some of my tax dollars to the killing of unborn children in foreign lands.
But being pro-abortion is not the reason why Obama was elected...
Good points. I guess for me it's because now it's not just a campaign promise, it's an actual executive order announced today assigning some of my tax dollars to the killing of unborn children in foreign lands.
But being pro-abortion is not the reason why Obama was elected...
He ran on everything... He has lots of room now to pick and choose what fits his ideas best. So far it looks like he is digging as fast as he can into a controversial hole.
Even from your predominantly pro-life viewpoint, there are situations where abortion may be justified. In these circumstances (rape, incest, or a pregnancy that puts the woman's health at risk), there are many women in foreign countries who have had no access to this option, even if their life is at risk. Furthermore, they have been unable to receive sound education as to it's availability, safety and physical and psychological implications because of the restrictions Bush imposed.
Bush cutting off funding for clinics that provide abortions ,or even education, under any circumstances is as morally reprehensible to many as is Obama's repeal of such restrictions is to you.
Yes, I understand. Almost everything government does with our tax dollars has undesirable consequences in addition to any good it may accomplish. But I don't think Bush cut off funds for groups that provide the services you describe. He only cut off funds for groups that offer killing as an option.
It used to be that churches and charities took care of social issues at the local level. I will always object to money forced from me going to kill unborn children in foreign lands regardless of any merit you and others may see in such a thing. (I did admit that there were some legitimate cases for abortion but my guess is that almost every abortion performed outside of a recognized hospital does not fall into the categories you describe. In my opinion clinics where abortions are actually performed are just slaughter houses for human beings. Doctors are being paid not to save lives but to violently take them.)
My understanding is that the ban on providing federal funds for abortion groups in foreign lands was instigated by President Reagan. Only Clinton and now Obama reversed that ban and forced every tax payer in the USA to in effect be complicit in killing those unborn children.
What these leftists (the pro-abort crowd) refuse to acknowledge is the biological fact that from the very instant of conception, everything is determined; hair color, eye color, bone structure and body type, sex (of course - we knew that), personality traits, etc, etc, etc. In other words, the fetus (incidentally fetus, I was taught, means "young one") or child to be, is everything he/she will be, except as influenced by the outside world in future life. This means that what is developing is a real person. I learned that in biology in junior high school back in the days long before Roe v. Wade.
I believe this gives insight as to why they want to deny that we were founded as a Christian nation as well. Consider that the Declaration of Independence says that we are endowed by our "Creator" with certain unalienable rights, "that among these rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
If we deny a "Creator" (God) and claim that the founders and writers of our founding documents were not Christian, but deists, or other, than it's easier to dismiss the right of the unborn to life. But if God created us all, then surely those rights also belong to the unborn.
Does that make any sense to you? I couldn't seem to come up with the words to state it as clearly as I see it in my mind. Perhaps after I dwell on that thought longer, I will come up with the words to articulate it.
The extreme evil of Obama is that in Illinois, he supported a bill that would deny life saving measures to infants who had survived a botched abortion! Now that is the epitome of evil.
There is a famous young lady who survived a saline abortion and has written at least one book (I don't remember her name... I'm sure you know who I'm talking about). She must be in her 30's by now, I would guess. Obama would have left this girl to die.
I for one am happy that he did what he did. Do you KNOW how many women get raped and become pregnant in many of those countries? How prevalent AIDS is because of that??? They should continue with the teaching of birth control and planned parenthood but should offer the service of abortion if necessary.
Keyword being: if necessary.
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Originally Posted by karfar
I am of the opinion that you actually don't really understand what this is. Providing abortions is one aspect of these clinics. Family planning & women's health is the majority. Please please, I beg of you people, do some research before you post your lunatic christian rantings.
Thank you!
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Originally Posted by justamere10
So using my tax money to kill unborn babies in foreign countries is going to solve AIDS and rape?
If it really matters to you...you can always not pay your taxes...if it means THAT much to you.
In any case, before 20 weeks....it's not really viable so I could care less if a woman decides to get rid of a pair of cells growing in her reproductive system.
Everything is predetermined---kind of like Manifest Destiny? Is that what you are talking about? And at the 'instant of conception' doctors can tell whether or not that child will be/is a hermaphrodite, or be predisposed towards drug addiction, towards murder? There are no societal or environmental influences on personality traits, bone growth structure, etc.?
"Manifest Destiny? What does that have to do with anything? I was talking about conception. And yes, everything is determined.
You need to re-read my post. Perhaps it will take you a few times through it to understand what I said. I thought it was pretty clear. But I wrote thinking that I was writing to people who could read and had some basic comprehension skills.
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Originally Posted by SeeBee
Extreme evil -- That's a pretty extreme statement in itself. Please share which bill are you talking about. I'd like to know. Thank you.
I don't live in Illinois, so I don't know the bill #. Do you read any news? That's how I heard about it. It's been widely reported (of course not in rags like the New York Times). This is not some new revalation. It was reported well before the election.
Evil is evil. If you think that's extreme, well I guess that's your opinion. I would call it evil.
Exactly & thank you for bringing that up. Education is key & good health is key as well, that is the main purpose of these clinics. Unfortunately, some people gloss over that & focus strictly on abortions, which is a very small percentage of what these clinics provide.
Can you document that groups who provide education for women in foreign lands ceased to exist under presidents who would not allow tax payer money to fund abortions? My guess is that they probably did exist.
I maintain that Obama's executive order today is all about abortion.
Well unfortunately in life, things do not go according to your exact plan. There are things that people pay for that they aren't exactly happy about, but guess what? That's life & you deal w/it & move on to issues that directly affect your life.
Isn't it wonderful to have a life and the opportunity to deal with issues?
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Keyword being: if necessary.
