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Old 01-26-2009, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Nice try.

If a person is not guilty of anything, that means that person is innocent.

So... what has any unborn child done to make it guilty?
Do you consider a fly innocent? Because a fly is more intelligent than a fetus at the time of more abortions. So, are all flies innocent? What about bacteria? Cancer?
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:44 PM
 
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Nice try.

If a person is not guilty of anything, that means that person is innocent.

So... what has any unborn child done to make it guilty?
I dunno....but all these Christians tell me that babies come born into this world with this thing called original sin that only baptism can get rid of....

Or are you talking about something different?
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Old 01-26-2009, 01:58 PM
 
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I dunno....but all these Christians tell me that babies come born into this world with this thing called original sin that only baptism can get rid of....

Or are you talking about something different?
What has an unborn baby done that makes him/her guilty of anything.


Abortion kills unborn babies. Period.
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Old 01-26-2009, 01:59 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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FACT: Abortion ends the life of an unborn baby. Legal or otherwise, abortion kills unborn babies.
So you believe a fertilized egg is a baby?

If so, discussion over.

If not, just when does it become a 'baby'?
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:01 PM
 
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So you believe a fertilized egg is a baby?

If so, discussion over.

If not, just when does it become a 'baby'?
When does it become a baby?

Answer that.
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:09 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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When does it become a baby?

Answer that.

What's the matter? No answer from you?

It was a very simple question.

Is a fertilized egg a baby in your mind?

I don't believe it is.

WHEN is irrelevant if you believe a fertilized egg is a baby and needs no further discussion unless you have a rational, science based argument that it is. Dogma is unacceptable.
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:13 PM
 
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When does it become a baby?

Answer that.
Everyone's answer is subjective, based on emotion and opinion. There is no universally accepted answer, no scientifically proven answer. Hence the ruckus.
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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When does it become a baby?

Answer that.
When it can survive without being in the womb.
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Of course not all taxes are used to fund social programs. The point of this thread is that today's executive order by President Obama is all about funding abortions, nothing else. It is likely that most of those groups were already being federally funded. They just have to quit promoting and carrying out abortions when the USA president is Republican, or carry on with only private funding. As of today they can again freely kill the unborn children of foreign mothers with the help of USA tax funds.

At least that's the way I see it. Where am I wrong?
The key word in all of the NEWS reports on this is 'RESTORED.'
That means that these groups were NOT getting any federal funding for the last eight years. Something else that has been overlooked:
groups that simply provided counseling services, if those services included talking about contraception or abortion, also lost their funding.

Also, another FACT that has gotten lost or conveniently ignored:

"Lifting the Mexico City Policy would not permit U.S. tax dollars to be used for abortions, but it would allow funding to resume to groups that provide other services, including counseling about abortions"

washingtonpost.com
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Utah
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So you believe a fertilized egg is a baby?

If so, discussion over.

If not, just when does it become a 'baby'?
I think it's a fact that the physical body of every human being who lives now or who has ever lived was once a "fertilized egg".

I think it's a fact that every woman who chooses to have an abortion made that choice because she knew if she didn't kill the new life within her she would give birth to a son or a daughter a few months after she discovered she was pregnant.

As I see it, the woman made the choice to kill a human being. However you care to define the beginnings of that new life or to rationalize its killing, it's a fact that no abortion, a baby is almost certain to be born to the world. Abortion, a baby is not born to the world. Seems simple enough to me.

You and I would not be having this discussion if ANY of the women in our ancestral line chose to kill the life that was beginning to stir within her.

Whether or not you think it "empowers" a woman to be able to kill with legal impunity her unborn sons and daughters, it's a fact that abortion is a choice to deliberately KILL a human being. That choice terminates a potential series of lifelong interactions similar to those myriad things each of us enriches this world and its people with. (You know, things like love, joy, happiness, good, evil, husbands, wives, lovers, sons, daughters, grandparents, greatgrandparents....)
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