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if you don't have a level playing field, you will never have a fair game. the fact that china as the largest growing superpower is exempt from cap and trade is harmful to the american worker.
i have read plenty of history and, as you know, there are diverse opinions on whether the depression was lengthened or shortened by the stimulus spending. i think we are about to find out which is true. our economic indicators are not good, and are still going southward. i also see where britain may have to start another round of printing, even though they are telling people that a recovery is taking place. we are one step behind britain ( as we were one step behind them in the derivatives market) but still going down the same path.
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Never mind cap and trade, 13 cent per hour is why the jobs migrate there.
Which is why without tariffs we are doomed.
There are plenty of people in the fringe (Chicago Economists, etc) who do not credit the New Deal with saving capitalism, as it did, but they only emerged from under their rocks in the 60's, when most who'd been through it were on the way out.
But the reality is, the New Deal saved capitalism then, and another one can do so now.
The real question is whether or not capitalism is worth saving?
i do agree about tariffs. i think we only need to see what is happening to this economy to see that tariffs are indicated in this particular situation for our country. i also think that cap and trade is bad because it keeps us on an uneven playing field. we need to really be trying to protect our worker base because without workers the small businesses fail, and the failures trickle up. you can't even talk about collecting taxes if you have no workers.
i think some people might seem ambivalent about capitalism only because they have not been exposed to the crushing oppression of some other systems. we can look at china as an example. as they slowly veer towards capitalism, their standard of living improves.
You sound like a liberal hack as there is no evidence for your talking points. McCain was a weak candidate, but there is no way one can argue he would have been worse than Obama. McCain would have been much better than Obama b/c Obama is so bad (not b/c McCain is so good). McCain would not have wasted more than $ 1 Trillion on a stimulus, mortgage relief program and bad bank/toxic asset plan (all of which have failed). He would not try to Nationalize Healthcare or authorize mirandizing terrorists in Afghanistan. He would not nominate an activist judge to SCOTUS. McCain would not propose to eliminate or decrease the reach of e-verify. McCain would not authorize massive tax hikes or this form of cap-and-trade. He also would not be imposing CAFE standards like Obama.
McCain's budget deficit would not be $ 2 Trillion. Obama is a complete disaster; the question is whether or not people will acknowledge it.
Why are you so quick to try and judge things you so clearly don't understand?
i do agree about tariffs. i think we only need to see what is happening to this economy to see that tariffs are indicated in this particular situation for our country. i also think that cap and trade is bad because it keeps us on an uneven playing field. we need to really be trying to protect our worker base because without workers the small businesses fail, and the failures trickle up. you can't even talk about collecting taxes if you have no workers.
i think some people might seem ambivalent about capitalism only because they have not been exposed to the crushing oppression of some other systems. we can look at china as an example. as they slowly veer towards capitalism, their standard of living improves.
Are you serious re: China???
On that line of reasoning, one could say that capitalism in the pre-War South "rasied the standard of living" of the slaves.
Because that is precisely the system modern-day China uses.
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Based on Bush's outgoing approval ratings and the fact that GOP candidates for office in the last election avoided him like the plague - I think it can safely be said that Bush was a disaster in more than just Austin13's opinion.
"In short, Bush has been a disaster for conservatives. We’ve made little progress, while suffering major setbacks. Worse yet, Bush’s well-deserved unpopularity threatens to rub off on conservative policies and leaders."
"Instead of spending the next two years propping up a tottering presidency and a corrupt Congressional leadership, the conservative movement needs to cut the cord with Bush and start moving forward again."
Stephen Bainbridge: Bush 43 has been a disaster for conservatives Opinion Articles - Editorials on Top News Stories | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/stephen_bainbridge_bush_43_has_been_a_disaster_for _conservatives2006-10-17T09_00_00.html - broken link)
Ken
IMO, it can be safely be said that Obama is a disaster. His stimulus, auto bailout, foreclosure relief plan and bank bailout plans were all failures. He quadrupled the deficit and is going to add record amounts of debt. He has gotten nowhere on foreign policy. Look how his Admin neglected the bankruptcy laws in dealing with GM and Chrysler. Unemployment has increased significantly since Obama was inaugurated and it's nowhere near reaching its peak. We've lost nearly 2 million jobs since his inauguration and his 'stimulus' plan has not done anything to help. He's planning to destroy the Healthcare system and lies left and right.
If you're saying that Obama being a disaster is just someone's opinion, then that should hold true for all Presidents.
IMO, it can be safely be said that Obama is a disaster. His stimulus, auto bailout, foreclosure relief plan and bank bailout plans were all failures. He quadrupled the deficit and is going to add record amounts of debt. He has gotten nowhere on foreign policy. Look how his Admin neglected the bankruptcy laws in dealing with GM and Chrysler. Unemployment has increased significantly since Obama was inaugurated and it's nowhere near reaching its peak. We've lost nearly 2 million jobs since his inauguration and his 'stimulus' plan has not done anything to help. He's planning to destroy the Healthcare system and lies left and right.
If you're saying that Obama being a disaster is just someone's opinion, then that should hold true for all Presidents.
Let's hold on:
Obama's going down the tubes because he was way too corporate, too unwilling to change the dymanic that has existed in this country since 1968.
In ANY scenario, unemployment would still be rising- albeit not as fast.
But you cannot keep the interests of the corporations superior to those of the workers, and NOT have the workers suffer more pain.
IMO, it can be safely be said that Obama is a disaster. His stimulus, auto bailout, foreclosure relief plan and bank bailout plans were all failures. He quadrupled the deficit and is going to add record amounts of debt. He has gotten nowhere on foreign policy. Look how his Admin neglected the bankruptcy laws in dealing with GM and Chrysler. Unemployment has increased significantly since Obama was inaugurated and it's nowhere near reaching its peak. We've lost nearly 2 million jobs since his inauguration and his 'stimulus' plan has not done anything to help. He's planning to destroy the Healthcare system and lies left and right.
If you're saying that Obama being a disaster is just someone's opinion, then that should hold true for all Presidents.
Actually Obama INHERITED a disaster - and it's just been a few short months, but already the stock markets have stabilized and been in a generally upward trend for the last 3 months (the last time that happened was way back in the 2nd quarter of 2007) and there are lots of indications we are very near the bottom of the Recession. Once the stimulus money starts to really flow there should be quite a bit or improvement. Unemployment levels are indeed very high, but the pace of job cuts is falling considerably - indicating that the layoff wave that began last year is finally abating.
All in all I'm pretty satisfied.
The fact that you are not is pretty irrelevant to me - you probably wouldn't be pleased no matter WHAT Obama does.
I figure you folks had your chance and your goober blew it, now it's time to try something different whether YOU like it or not.
Actually Obama INHERITED a disaster - and it's just been a few short months, but already the stock markets have stabilized and been in a generally upward trend for the last 3 months (the last time that happened was way back in the 2nd quarter of 2007) and there are lots of indications we are very near the bottom of the Recession. Once the stimulus money starts to really flow there should be quite a bit or improvement. Unemployment levels are indeed very high, but the pace of job cuts is falling considerably - indicating that the layoff wave that began last year is finally abating.
All in all I'm pretty satisfied.
The fact that you are not is pretty irrelevant to me - you probably wouldn't be pleased no matter WHAT Obama does.
I figure you folks had your chance and your goober blew it, now it's time to try something different whether YOU like it or not.
Ken
Obama needs to act like an adult, not a crybaby. Stop with the 'we inherited' nonsense. We're not at the bottom and things are getting worse b/c of Obama. The fact that you worship Obama is irrelevant to me.
Obama needs to act like an adult, not a crybaby. Stop with the 'we inherited' nonsense. We're not at the bottom and things are getting worse b/c of Obama. The fact that you worship Obama is irrelevant to me.
Obama has done little of substance to change the course we we're placed upon by 40 years of conservative rule- that's the main point.
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