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Old 06-27-2009, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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You know, you can say that til the cows come home and it still won't be true.

Do you think we were just lucky not to be attacked again? It was the programs, policies and very aggressive, offensive behavior implemented by bush that has kept the Us from another attack.

That is just a FACT you cannot escape.

Tell me about that hatred - what was the excuse before bush went to war in Iraq?

All throughout the 90's we were attacked - what spurred them on?

Recruiting tool? Yeah, until they realize that they are NO match for our military. What a brilliant strategy - bring the jihadists from around the world to Iraq and AFghanistan where they get the dream of a lifetime - fighting face to face with our boys - and then watch as they get crushed.
What exactly does he say that isn't true? You're the one beating a dead horse with old arguments. Bush's foreign policies have made America less safer. There are more terrorists being recruited and more of an anti-American global sentiment than there ever was before the invasion of Iraq or 9/11 for that matter, and those are facts, not opinion.

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The policies, programs and weak, pacifistic attitude and actions from the clinton admin led directly to the attack on 9/11.
Yet it's the same ridiculous policies and decisions of dubya that are why 100+ soldiers have died in Iraq since inaguration of Obama, but it's all Obama's fault according to you. You're too inherently blind and biased to recognize the obsurdity and contradictions of your own arguments.
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Old 06-27-2009, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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The policies, programs and weak, pacifistic attitude and actions from the clinton admin led directly to the attack on 9/11.

Attack after attack, with no consequences for the terrorists, emboldened them - they thought the US was weak and did not have the stomach to fight them. Just listen to UBL - he said all that in his interviews and jihadists statements, starting in Somalia, where the US under clinton allowed 18 of our best to be slaughtered by the weakness and faulty decisions of politicians in DC.

That incident was key in the way UBL perceived us - and his suspicions were confirmed as throughout the decade we were attacked with little retribution.
Delusional and pathetic is what somebody would have to be to buy into your story.Unreal
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Old 06-27-2009, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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What exactly does he say that isn't true? You're the one beating a dead horse with old arguments. Bush's foreign policies have made America less safer. There are more terrorists being recruited and more of an anti-American global sentiment than there ever was before the invasion of Iraq or 9/11 for that matter, and those are facts, not opinion.



Yet it's the same ridiculous policies and decisions of dubya that are why 100+ soldiers have died in Iraq since inaguration of Obama, but it's all Obama's fault according to you. You're too inherently blind and biased to recognize the obsurdity and contradictions of your own arguments.
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Old 06-27-2009, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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He had the courage of his convictions to stand up to the dems/libs to keep this country safe from another 9/11-style attack.

His policies on the War on Terror have done just that.
The fact is, there are still plenty of rental trucks, ammonium fertilizer, and diesel fuel available in this country at very modest cost that can be combined into a bomb a la Tim McVeigh and Oklahoma City. Also, firearms can be purchased almost anywhere in the country through local want ads with no questions ever asked except, "Do you have the money?"

There are also four thousand plus miles of American border that can be crossed by small boat or motorcycle carrying a backpack-sized Dirty Bomb that could take out a football stadium full of people.

The only reason we weren't attacked is because no one wanted to. If terrorists had wanted to attack us and had no other means to do so, they would have sent out individual suicide bombers wrapped in steel pipes full of nails and explosives to detonate themselves in city crowds.

You don't trust the government to be able to handle running health care because they are so incompetent, but you somehow delude yourself that this SAME government has kept you safe from attack by terrorists operating in the dead of night? Strange. Very strange, indeed.
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Old 06-27-2009, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Bush's foreign policies have made America less safer
Now, I know obama and the dems/libs are so fond of saying this - and no one in the MSM ever asks them to quantify the statement.

So...where is the evidence that bush's policies have made us less safe - spell them out.

See, the FACT that we haven't been attacked again really puts that claim in the shi**er.

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There are more terrorists being recruited and more of an anti-American global sentiment than there ever was before the invasion of Iraq or 9/11 for that matter, and those are facts, not opinion.
Those are opinions - you have no "facts" to back it except what comes from the liberal media around the globe.

Let's see - ONE very important FACT you libs always seem to leave out - We were attacked over and over again, throughout the 90's, including 9/11 - wouldn't you say the anti-America sentiment from jihadists was at it's peak? Why did they attack us, kills our troops and citizens if they loved us so much?
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Old 06-27-2009, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Delusional and pathetic is what somebody would have to be to buy into your story.Unreal
The story is what actually happened. What can you dispute in my story?
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Old 06-27-2009, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The fact is, there are still plenty of rental trucks, ammonium fertilizer, and diesel fuel available in this country at very modest cost that can be combined into a bomb a la Tim McVeigh and Oklahoma City. Also, firearms can be purchased almost anywhere in the country through local want ads with no questions ever asked except, "Do you have the money?"
Oh....so 4 muslims prancing into a store to purchase a ton of fertilizer would go unnoticed now?

We aren't talking about terrorists getting their hands on a gun. Besides, none of what you list here is has changed in the past 3 decades, regardless of who is in the WH.

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There are also four thousand plus miles of American border that can be crossed by small boat or motorcycle carrying a backpack-sized Dirty Bomb that could take out a football stadium full of people.
Yep, we've had open borders for 30 years.

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The only reason we weren't attacked is because no one wanted to. If terrorists had wanted to attack us and had no other means to do so, they would have sent out individual suicide bombers wrapped in steel pipes full of nails and explosives to detonate themselves in city crowds.
You're serious? You must be aware that ALL counter-terrorism experts in the field ASSURED us that we would be attacked again. Don't remember that?

I do seem to also recall tape after tape of UBL and Zawahiri calling for their recruits to attack in any way possible.

Do you realize how utterly lame that claim is? Are for the express reason to deny the truth - Bush kept us safe when everybody thought we would be hit again.
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Old 06-27-2009, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Bush was appointed president, not elected, by a judge his dad appointed and the state that mysteriously pushed him over the top was governed by his brother. I smell shananigans
Really? Just who "appointed" him?
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Old 06-27-2009, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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That he was able to STEAL the 2000 Presidential Election through the actions of the Supreme Court and his brother Jed, the governor of Florida. We can no longer look at countries like Iran with their crooked elections and claim the higher moral ground.
The only one who tried to STEAL the 2000 Presidential Election was Al Gore.

Jed immediately recused himself once the voting results were close and a recount was required.

The Supreme Court put a stop to the endless recounts because the Florida Supreme Court could not provide a credible answer as to why the endless recounts were going on and on.
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Old 06-27-2009, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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Now, I know obama and the dems/libs are so fond of saying this - and no one in the MSM ever asks them to quantify the statement.

So...where is the evidence that bush's policies have made us less safe - spell them out.
The fact that terrorist groups are recruting more than ever before, and the fact that more countries across the globe now more than ever have low opinions of America. If that doesn't make us less safe than before, what does?

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Let's see - ONE very important FACT you libs always seem to leave out - We were attacked over and over again, throughout the 90's, including 9/11 - wouldn't you say the anti-America sentiment from jihadists was at it's peak? Why did they attack us, kills our troops and citizens if they loved us so much?
9/11 didn't happen in the 1990's (although many conservatives would love to think it did). There was one legitimate attack under Clinton's watch, and it was foiled. And why would terrorists want to attack within our country now, when there are plenty of American men and women in their own backyard and a lot more susceptible?
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