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A person who would thinks that any election can easily be predicted by some events that happened in any previous election is fooling themselves. May as well base it on the zodiac.
Will Obama lose in 2012? Its possible, but highly unlikely. The Gas shortage and growing overseas hostilities caused Carter to lose in 80, but he was never that popular. Obama 6 months in is as popular as ever. Thats not even mentioning that his opposition is falling apart at the scene.
The republicans could retake the white house in '12 but the odds are far against them.
Popular president against a Party in good shape and doing well with the public = potential (still underdog) chance at beating an incumbent.
Popular president against an Opposition falling into scandal after scandal, leaderless, and scaring off moderates/insulting and alienating potential fence sitter votes = Betting Green double Zero's in Roulette. Practically a suckers bet.
Were I leading the republicans, I would suit up for 2016 and not worry about the sacrificial lambs that are going to the alter in 2012. The decision must be made, keep the base and lose the moderates, or re-establish your base as something other than the questionably intolerant old white guys and their gals club and look to the future.
The republicans are in serious danger of becoming a post civil war version of the democrats.
If everythin is going well in 2011 on into 2012, I would be shocked to see the GOP pull things together.
But I think the economy is going to be so much further in the dump than it was when Obama took office that people are going to be scratching their heads wondering WTF just happened to them the last 4 years.
As for leader? Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy, and Joe "foot in mouth" Biden, really, they have no better leaders. Only Obama the great speech giver powered by a fawning media.
Also, I am not saying the GOP will get it together. But they certainly were all screwed up in 1976 and then they pulled it together to pull off the biggest landslide election wins in American history. Down doesn't always mean out.
It's mind-numbing the sheer number of people who would rather the government do for them what they could do for themselves. As a result, we have become a nation of entitlement pansies suckling off the teet of a corrupt government. Eventually the electorate becomes just as corrupt, and the revolving door spins faster and never stops. The people depend on the government because the government depends on the people because the people depend on the government. Leading the charge are the liberals, and this country will suffer immensely for it.
You are exactly right! These entitlement parasites are not Democrats any more than Bush or McCain are Republicans. They are neo-lib socialists that would make JFK Democrats puke (as in, "ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country").
Then came Clinton. And the one thing he did that most offended the Republicans was pass what Bob Dole liked to call "the largest tax increase in our nation's history", pushing upper bracket rates part of the way back to pre-Reagan levels. Compromising with Republicans in congress, he worked out budget cuts that were broad and balanced, instead of trying to gut particular sectors that he was ideologically opposed to. The result was a more successful effort to cut spending than Reagan's was, even though its goals were more modest. So the federal deficit shrank, and eventually reversed. He restored some of the governmental functions that Reagan had decimated on ideological grounds. This helped with some small relief to the unfortunate. The higher taxes on the top brackets restored some of the capital that was concentrated in big piles to general circulation, where it could do more good. (Even conservative economists don't argue that concentration of wealth, as such, is beneficial. Everyone recognizes that circulation through earning and spending does the most to generate prosperity and more wealth.) Employment rose, standards of living inched upward (though still to lower levels than we once enjoyed), and companies producing real goods became more profitable. This attracted more capital to where it could be used as wages instead of just used to buy assets from another investor. Gradually, more of the overall wealth found its way into broad circulation.
You found the personal website of someone who agrees with your views and you call it research? Don't let me forget the link to the obviously left leaning website in your other link. Funny, I'm sure you'd be one of the first to bash a conservative for posting 'data' from a conservative site Your bogus claims don't deserve an answer.
and look where it has gotten us. Republicans have done NOTHING for the average Amercian...NOTHING! Bush destroyed us. Don't even get me started on Reagan.
Republicans provide a free market in which you can be something other than an average American. Now your party on the other hand will insure that we are all standing in bread lines. I miss Bush but I miss Reagan even more.
[/b]The Real Reagan Legacy
Debunking Myths About Reagan
Six years into Reagan's presidency, Democrats retook the Senate, and began to reverse some of Reagan's horrendous policies. By that time, Reaganomics had "accomplished" quite a bit: doubled the national debt, caused the S&L crisis, and nearly wrecked the financial system.
Except 'Reaganomics' was largely abandoned by 1983, and most of the initial tax cuts were reversed. Not sure what you are on about.. However, one of those 'accomplishments' was the largest recorded growth rates since WWII, a major and permanent fix for inflation (although progress comes at a price - in this case through the S&L crisis), as well as a general drop in unemployment. And if you can remember that far back, there was actually a bit of a stalemate in Congress in the late 80s, since the president, congressional Democrats, and congressional Republicans all had differentiating ideas for what should be done about the growing crisis..
So next time, how about reading a bit more before spamming us with the first anti-Reagan articles you could find.
The S&L crisis was self inflicted by the institutions. The Carter inflation rate killed them, low rate old mortgages competing with high rate CDs, so they asked to branch out. They got stupid, just like now. The relevant bill was the Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act.
Also, I am not saying the GOP will get it together. But they certainly were all screwed up in 1976 and then they pulled it together to pull off the biggest landslide election wins in American history. Down doesn't always mean out.
The problem is that for the Republican party to become viable they need to get rid of a lot of what has worked (with regards to getting elected) over the past 30 years (at least), and that's very difficult to ditch.
The OP is proving yet again that the so called conservatives/republicans have ZERO grasp on history .... ZERO!!! Even moreso, proving that the so called conservative movement is full of history denying anti-intellectuals.
The 1976 election results had more to do with Watergate (oh yea!!! That!!!!) than anything else. And the 1980 election had everything to do with Iran and the hostage crisis (thank you wonderboy I for your astute timing) ...
If everythin is going well in 2011 on into 2012, I would be shocked to see the GOP pull things together.
But I think the economy is going to be so much further in the dump than it was when Obama took office that people are going to be scratching their heads wondering WTF just happened to them the last 4 years.
As for leader? Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy, and Joe "foot in mouth" Biden, really, they have no better leaders. Only Obama the great speech giver powered by a fawning media.
Also, I am not saying the GOP will get it together. But they certainly were all screwed up in 1976 and then they pulled it together to pull off the biggest landslide election wins in American history. Down doesn't always mean out.
Fair enough, but it still sounds more like wishful thinking than realistic hope of success.
Incumbents rarely lose. Thats a fact. Obama is extraordinarily popular and likable. The closest things to leaders in the opposition (Limbaugh, Palin, Steele, Jeb) are only likable to select groups, and seem to creep out, agitate or utterly turn off everyone else. Also, as I mentioned, the GOP is leaderless and infighting. The old 'Base' are butting heads with the new blood and the moderates, causing them to jump ship.
There are simply too many issues right now that the majority of Americans do not agree with the Republican 'old base' on. Gay rights, Abortion, Minorities, Immigration, Civil Rights, Civil Liberties, the War, Healthcare, Church and state.
Sure, there are moderates, and plenty of smarter Republicans trying to bring focus away from those things to the things the public agrees with, but after the way President Bush mucked things up, those things arent going to leave peoples minds easily.
Add to that the PR NIGHTMARE that is the 'old base's highly exclusionary and alienating political banter (essentially naming anyone that disagrees with them a socialist, ignoring any criticism valid or not, and going on the attack towards hispanics, blacks and gays), I dont see the GOP getting any bigger anytime soon. Even if the party recovered its wayward moderates, the left is so fired up and in support of Obama that it would be an uphill battle.
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These entitlement parasites are not Democrats any more than Bush or McCain are Republicans. They are neo-lib socialists that would make JFK Democrats puke (as in, "ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country").
