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Old 07-23-2009, 07:24 PM
 
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Your defense is quite lame but here is a link to prove your first claim wrong. I do not have the time or inclination to disprove the rest of this nonsense but sufice to say it is equally accurate.

Jeremy Scahill: Obama's Iraq: All Troops Out By 2011? Not
Actually, all of my points are valid and factual.

This issue you address is a perfect example. He stated time and again that we would be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in.

Remember that line?

No one ever thought ALL troops would ever leave. We just built a huge new embassy and have troops stationed all over the world.

What we are talking about is combat troops leaving Iraq, and he's doing a pretty good job of following through on that promise and ending combat operations.
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Old 07-23-2009, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Splitting time between Charlotte and Raleigh (work)
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Im sorry, but that sounds like more of the same wishful thinking of the Republicans. Those claims were being made both before the 06 elections and 08 elections. Claiming it does not make it so.

This is funny. Democrats need to start researching facts and not pretend things are going well. Here is the Rasmussen polls. NOT GOOD for Obama.

More people strongly DISAPPROVE than strongly approve of how he is handling everything. He has a NEGATIVE 7 rating.

The MAJORITY of people DISAPPROVE of Obama's healthcare plan.

The MAJORITY of investors think the economy is getting worse and the skyrocketing unemployment numbers back it up. You know, the numbers that are MUCH higher than what Obama guaranteed us they would be when they passed the spending bill that NO ONE read because it wasn't made available to everyone ahead of time as Obama PROMISED us it would be.

Also, 52 democrats (BD) and leaders of the black caucus are loudly voicing their disapproval. That is his OWN PARTY rising up against him. Blame Republicans if you want, but it is HIS OWN PARTY that is against him. If this is good, I hate to see what is bad.


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Old 07-23-2009, 07:47 PM
 
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I thought the presidency wasn't a popularity contest. That's what we kept hearing over and over again during the Bush years.

He's doing fine. Of course polls are going to sink when actual legislation starts getting hammered out. Everyone saw that coming.

I suspect when all is said and done he'll emerge as respected and successful as Clinton.
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Old 07-23-2009, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Actually, all of my points are valid and factual.

This issue you address is a perfect example. He stated time and again that we would be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in.

Remember that line?

No one ever thought ALL troops would ever leave. We just built a huge new embassy and have troops stationed all over the world.

What we are talking about is combat troops leaving Iraq, and he's doing a pretty good job of following through on that promise and ending combat operations.
""I intend to remove all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of 2011," Obama said in a speech that quickly generated headlines announcing that an end to the occupation is on the horizon. As far as rhetoric goes, Obama's statement seems very clear. But in reality, it is far more complicated."

Wow you couldn't even make it to the second paragraph.
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Old 07-23-2009, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Land of 10000 Lakes +
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Did you even read that list? most people voted for Obama because he was going to do things like fund stem cell or ban offshore drilling and a lot the others on that list are just made up or make no sense...for example

since Obama took office DOW is up 800+ points
but according to that list wtf? on Jan 20th it was 8000 and today it closed over 8800.
Don't these posts just make you smile? They use up so much energy in trying to turn the tide, saying it already has turned. Polls, schmolls. They go up and down. Ridiculous to take seriously the polls game.
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:08 PM
 
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""I intend to remove all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of 2011," Obama said in a speech that quickly generated headlines announcing that an end to the occupation is on the horizon. As far as rhetoric goes, Obama's statement seems very clear. But in reality, it is far more complicated."

Wow you couldn't even make it to the second paragraph.
No, I read that part.

It was quite a momentous moment when American troops came home from WWII, yet we still have troops stationed in Germany.

Global politics doesn't work in absolutes. Nobody - and I mean nobody - who works on this level would think Obama meant that every single soldier would leave Iraq. He's been quite clear about that all along.
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Our wonderful President!!

Sure!!!!


YouTube - Obama Speech - Teleprompter Goes Out
Shouldn't you be reading the presidential records link provided to you in a previous post so that you can stop spewing misinformation? Just in case you missed it:

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And that makes it all the MORE TRUE! (mwhaaa .. mwhaaaaaaa mwhwaaaaaaaaaa your wealth be mine!!!!!)

oh wait..

the executive order makes more for more transparency..

stupid facts.. always get in the way of bs..

Presidential Records Act Amendments of 2009 - OpenCongress Wiki
Knowledge can be a good thing! And in that spirit, I offer additional reading material for beginners: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13233

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Old 07-23-2009, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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No, I read that part.

It was quite a momentous moment when American troops came home from WWII, yet we still have troops stationed in Germany.

Global politics doesn't work in absolutes. Nobody - and I mean nobody - who works on this level would think Obama meant that every single soldier would leave Iraq. He's been quite clear about that all along.
Well he was clear, read what he said. He said all, he didn't say, imply or otherwise indicate leave some behind. Is this a case of it depends on what you mean by all? Even his supporters on the left thought he actully meant what he said (silly lefties). Read the link. Read the quote you simply can't wish it away. Those are his words, that is what he said. If you can't trust what he says what use is he?
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:29 PM
 
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A president has not been this hated since Franklin Roosevelt. And just how many terms did he serve? Conservatives should be grateful there are term limits.
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:33 PM
 
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Well he was clear, read what he said. He said all, he didn't say, imply or otherwise indicate leave some behind. Is this a case of it depends on what you mean by all? Even his supporters on the left thought he actully meant what he said (silly lefties). Read the link. Read the quote you simply can't wish it away. Those are his words, that is what he said. If you can't trust what he says what use is he?
Must I post the countless times he spoke of ending combat operations?

Come on. You're smarter than this. How in the world would we pull every troop out of Iraq? That's not even remotely possible given all of our infrastructure there.

I think you're just looking for a "gotcha", but it's not there. Peaceniks on the left are delusional if this is what they believe.
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