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Old 08-31-2009, 11:28 AM
 
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Obama's losing support because he has the cajones to take on really tough legislation for what he perceives as the larger good - from working with GM to health care to all the rest.

Anybody who thinks he's running a popularity contest doesn't see that he's doing anything but. While I don't agree with everything he's done, I give the guy credit.

It's good to finally have a president with a backbone. Haven't had one since probably Reagan.
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:30 AM
 
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BALONEY !

If Hillary or McCain had won, the public would be griping just as loud if we were still in this mess 7 months after they took office.

People are not accustomed to suffering and sacrificing for very long.

This is 2009 ( not 1941) and if the scenario of Pearl Harbor played out today, this once great country would not have the patience and be willing to sacrifice for close to 4 years like they did back then.

Thus the outcome of it today would not be the same as it was in August of 1945 (IMHO )
If McCain would've won, there would not have been the viral nature of attacks that have been thrown at Obama. There would not have been people questioning his religion, nationality, patriotism, calling him a racist, socialist, marxist, communist and terrorist. There have been coordinated movements to do so. These things are unprecendented. You would have had a point if any of what's been happening had happened in the past but is hasn't. We just had a republican congresswoman say "republicans need a great white hope"..Bet she wouldn't have said that with McCain in the White House. Your obvious denial is part of the problem. You and others like you would rather stay ignorant to what's looking you right in the face, than deal with it.
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:57 AM
 
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"If you want to make enemies, try to change something."

-Woodrow Wilson
"You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."

- Abraham Lincoln
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:13 PM
 
Location: NJ
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We took candidate O's advice and saw who his friends were.

His transmission is only outfitted with a reverse gear which is used quite often to do 180* turnarounds. It is amazing to see actual video of this guy decrying policies which he now supports. The rarely shown videos are breathtaking in reference to PO's current positions. A mercurial philosophy does not engender faith in leadership. A mercurial philosophy is different than altering one's position because of new information.

This visionary leader has not laid out an agenda but clearly he is following one. The blueprint for that long standing socio-political agenda has been taken from safekeeping from under the moldy floorboards of radical America, dusted off and is now being rolled out as we get to see unsavory characters and bizzare snippets of philosophy revealed in seemingly random order. There is a pattern but we just can't grasp the big picture because it has not been explained except in the most nebulous terms. Change, you want change, you got! Like a scene from Greek mythology or punchline to a nasty joke, the supplicator ends up literally getting what he asked for.
"First do no harm" should be emblazoned on the wall facing his desk.

Ask Vanna for another vowel and maybe we could figure out the entire phrase....

PO will be henceforth known as the, "Great Inheritor". How confident would you be with your surgeon who kept muttering about the poor condition of the patient 'they' brought in to fix? A great leader does not complain about the hand he was dealt. To do so diminishes any hope that leadership and success will bloom from this administration.

We are really concerned now because the media, in general, is in the tank for PO, which is different from supporting him.

In the good old days when newpapers were king you could go to the NY Times to read well researched articles on every aspect of the political scene. This may the one and only chance for newspapers to make a comeback.....revive investigative reporting. With 1.5 exceptions, the cable channels and network news have gotten out of the business of being the governments watchdog and become the government's lap dog.

The two party system is dead, it is now the Repubs, Democrats and Half Asses.

Time for a do over!
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:24 PM
 
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We took candidate O's advice and saw who his friends were.

His transmission is only outfitted with a reverse gear which is used quite often to do 180* turnarounds. It is amazing to see actual video of this guy decrying policies which he now supports. The rarely shown videos are breathtaking in reference to PO's current positions. A mercurial philosophy does not engender faith in leadership. A mercurial philosophy is different than altering one's position because of new information.

This visionary leader has not laid out an agenda but clearly he is following one. The blueprint for that long standing socio-political agenda has been taken from safekeeping from under the moldy floorboards of radical America, dusted off and is now being rolled out as we get to see unsavory characters and bizzare snippets of philosophy revealed in seemingly random order. There is a pattern but we just can't grasp the big picture because it has not been explained except in the most nebulous terms. Change, you want change, you got! Like a scene from Greek mythology or punchline to a nasty joke, the supplicator ends up literally getting what he asked for.
"First do no harm" should be emblazoned on the wall facing his desk.

Ask Vanna for another vowel and maybe we could figure out the entire phrase....

PO will be henceforth known as the, "Great Inheritor". How confident would you be with your surgeon who kept muttering about the poor condition of the patient 'they' brought in to fix? A great leader does not complain about the hand he was dealt. To do so diminishes any hope that leadership and success will bloom from this administration.

We are really concerned now because the media, in general, is in the tank for PO, which is different from supporting him.

In the good old days when newpapers were king you could go to the NY Times to read well researched articles on every aspect of the political scene. This may the one and only chance for newspapers to make a comeback.....revive investigative reporting. With 1.5 exceptions, the cable channels and network news have gotten out of the business of being the governments watchdog and become the government's lap dog.

The two party system is dead, it is now the Repubs, Democrats and Half Asses.

Time for a do over!
I am sorry to say, but you have been duped by propaganda. I suspect you never really gave him a chance to begin with. Either way, Obama has done anything but shirk responsibility. Time and again he has taken the burden for problems over which he had no control but did so because the buck stops with the president. I his own words:

"I love the folks who helped get us in this mess and then suddenly say, 'Well, this is Obama's economy,'" the president told an outdoor crowd at Macomb Community College, veering off his scripted words. "That's fine. Give it to me. My job is to solve problems, not to stand on the sidelines and harp and gripe."


As to the rest, Obama's laid out a clear agenda and it's pretty well endorsed by moderates everywhere. Sometimes you need someone to come in who's comfortable pulling the levers of government in a time of crisis. The alternative, freezing all government spending (the only entity capable of spending in this crisis) would have been sheer disaster and done nothing to turn the economy around.
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:34 PM
 
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Sometimes the propaganda aligns well with direct observation.
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:39 PM
 
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He's losing support because:

1. Some people didn't vote FOR Obama, they voted against Bush. It's like when people leave NY for North Carolina because they can't stand the snow and the taxes but pay very little attention to what North Carolina offers them...or should I say doesn't offer them and then they whine and want to move back 6 months after they're there.

2. Lofty visionary inspirational rhetoric works in campaigns but not when the rubber meets the road. He has been unable to articulate details of his massive spending plans because he has never had to articulate details in his career. People aren't just not buying what he's selling. People aren't sure he knows what the heck he's selling.

3. Obama promised change. People projected every possible personal change they wanted to see, onto him, and now he's not delivering. That's the voters' fault. If they would have looked into what he had accomplished rather than what he was promising to accomplish they would have seen a very thin resume. They didn't want to look. The media refused to look.

4. People are rightfully suspicious when someone tries to ram things down their throat, one right after the other. Voting on bills no one has read and that whole "hurry up and buy this lemon I'm trying to sell you" reminds them of used car salesman talk.

5. Congress hasn't been appreciated in years but with a Democrat Congress and a Democrat President, Nancy Pelosi's wackiness or Barney Frank's wackiness, for example, becomes Obama's de facto wackiness. Her disapprovals rub off on him. Every dumb thing she says and does is a reflection of him, true or not true. He's going to have to throw this grandmother under the bus, too.

6. People don't like it when the President presumes they're stupid and have to be treated like children being told to take their medicine without questioning because Dad decides it's what's good for them. Seniors, the group he's having a lot of trouble with now, especially don't like being treated like children. Urban elitism doesn't play well outside of the big cities, either. Mr Arugula is like Alice in Blunderland when it comes to suburbia and rural America and the urban elite media doesn't help.

7. You can polish that Stimulus Act like a shiny apple but people know it was one huge porkfest, a place for every Congressman to hide every earmark they ever wanted. What does the National Healthcare database have to do with creating jobs? What does a turtle bypass have to do with creating jobs? What does prisoner tattoo removal have to do with creating jobs? And, so on. And with only 15% of the "stimulus money" spent, the president is patting himself on the back and trying to hold that up as the reason why he says the economy is recovering...and thinks we're so stupid we're buying it.

8. ...of big government intrusion into personal lives and decisions when people over age 25 can't even name a government program that works effectively or efficiently...including, apparently, the President with his post office gaffe. Now he may be used to working with "urban dependents" who wanted to be taken care of in his community organizing days but be assured, most people do not want the government to tell them what food to put in their mouth, how warm or cool their homes should be, what kind of cars and light bulbs they need to buy, when they get a pain pill instead of hip surgery and how they should control their spending (for their own good) all while dad's spending like a drunken sailor.

9. Chicago goon moves on film. Using the unions and other organizations to make people physically afraid. Report to the commandant your fishy e-mails, websites and casual conversations. The czars to skirt scrutiny.

10. Hypocrisy. You save on fuel while I go a date with two plane loads of people and do a flyover above NYC. You love my Obamacare but no, Congress and I don't want to go under that plan.
Excellent points!
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:51 AM
 
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Sometimes the propaganda aligns well with direct observation.
And sometimes it's made up.
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:57 AM
 
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Is it because he want's to spend another trillion dollars?

Is he endorsing Socialst ideas, at the expense of the American taxpayer?


He is the worst President ever.
Because the right can not be pleased no matter what. and the left is upset because he is trying too hard to please the right, which can not be pleased anyway.
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:16 PM
 
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I think Going2Florida said it quite well. People, even those who did not vote for him, still wanted to hope for the best. I was solidly behind him for a while, but as of late it appears that every thing he does, every Czar that he appoints, every bill he tries to push forward when it is known the American public has no stomach for these things, just puts him and us in a deeper and deeper hole.
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