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You aren't a capitalist or a "bourgeois" individual unless you own means of production or make the bulk of your wealth through investments.
An unavoidable benefit of living in the first world is receiving "super wages", being paid more than your labor is actually worth due to the exploitation of the third world. Because of this, the average American would not be considered a member of the proletariat, he or she would be a member of the "labor aristocracy".
A fascist revolution is more likely in America than anything egalitarian.
Well, the first class is often responsible for providing the second class with jobs.
I may not be a capitalist pig by your definition, but I do know that capitalism works. Even for the second class. If you are willing and able, there is oopportunity out there.
Better than sitting on your a^s and waiting for your welfare check.
Do you really think that a socialist America would pay you what you're worth? Or what you think you're worth?
Anger toward the glorious leader would eventually set in. Most citizens would come to a point where life seems meaningless. More anger would set in.
Socialism is a dud. Everyone knows it. So why even consider such stupidity?
Well, the first class is often responsible for providing the second class with jobs.
I may not be a capitalist pig by your definition, but I do know that capitalism works. Even for the second class. If you are willing and able, there is oopportunity out there.
Better than sitting on your a^s and waiting for your welfare check.
Do you really think that a socialist America would pay you what you're worth? Or what you think you're worth?
Anger toward the glorious leader would eventually set in. Most citizens would come to a point where life seems meaningless. More anger would set in.
Socialism is a dud. Everyone knows it. So why even consider such stupidity?
Of course capitalism "works". Fascism "works". Pretty much any seriously thought-out political-economic philosophy "works". Capitalism works for the privileged minority, fascism works for the elites, socialism works for the working majority.
Things are great, if you're living in the first world. That's why I say you ought to worry more about fascism than anything else.
Also, just for fun, who would be Americas "glorious leader"? If we're being realistic about socialism that isn't how it would work when implemented properly (thus far, socialism has been implemented in peasant countries such as feudal China/Russia therefore the "dictatorship of the party" was substituted for the "dictatorship of the proletariat" since there were no proles), but whatever. Ronald Reagan pops into my mind for some god awful reason. Must be his rosy cheeks.
I'm really not certain about what you mean by "economically advanced".
Obama seems to want to move America toward the European outlook and philosophy on life.
Even politically.
But, you must understand. It is in our DNA to hold onto our freedom. FREEDOM.
Please explain political advancement. And how folks in Europe have settled for political advancement.
It is hard to convince Americans that we need to change. For hundreds of years we have decided for ourselves how to live. We are very touchy about government intrusion. Too much government intrusion and restrictions are viewed negatively here.
That is why there is such a struggle in America right now. Members of the Democratic Party are trying to regulate EVERYTHING. Half of America doesn't want anything to do with regulation or nanny state government or irresponsible spending ( a trademark of the Democratic Party ).
There must be a style of government that you admire more than that of Europe.
I'm really not certain about what you mean by "economically advanced".
Obama seems to want to move America toward the European outlook and philosophy on life.
Even politically.
You don't understand what "politically and economically more advanced" means ?
I'm not sure that there is any real point in trying to explain, what are, simple concepts if you cannot grasp what I said earlier, is there?
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But, you must understand. It is in our DNA to hold onto our freedom. FREEDOM.
It is hard to convince Americans that we need to change. For hundreds of years we have decided for ourselves how to live. We are very touchy about government intrusion. Too much government intrusion and restrictions are viewed negatively here.
What a load of bollox.
Most of you ended up over there because either your ancestors couldn't cut it in Europe/Asia.
Or, if you are black, your ancestors were sold in to slavery in to the USA
by capitalists.
That's how you're there today.
No other reason.
Love of freedom - don't make me laugh.
And in terms of longevity, you really need to read up about the political metamorphosis of political thought throughout Europe.
You do know that the British parliament has been in existence for centuries?
You do know that?
Your country is what, officially 233 years old.
A veritable pygmy in terms of political evolution.
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There must be a style of government that you admire more than that of Europe.
LOLs. Are you serious? LOLs. China has only become wealthy because they have been easing govt regulation and restrictions on businesses.
China today is nothing like the Soviet Union was. Not even close.
If China keeps moving towards free markets and the U.S. keeps getting more regulations China will dwarf us in 10 years. Max.
Book it.
I'm quite serious. The laughter is directed at Americans who falsely think China is creating an American economy. Socialists in China have learned that a modern economy can be commanded through maintaining control over strategic industries and so the socialist economy can be maintained while giving people what looks like a market and even opertunities for investment. Investment doesn't mean shareholder control. Who owns The Bank of China or The China Industrial Bank (These are owned by the Chinese State as most companies with China in the name). Who owns Sinopec why the Chinese State. Who owns Shanghai Aviation which is a major partner in building Boeing aircraft, why it is the People's Liberation Army. So Boeing is teaching the Chinese military how to build state-of-the-art aircraft that can just as easily fly for the PLAAF as Air China (also owned by the PLA) or American Airlines. The Chinese are smart enough to know that the state cares little for who cooks fast food or makes cheap crap for Walmart or the Dollar Mart in America. However it does own the plastic plants or steel mills who supply the factories turning out crap for Walmart and the Dollar Mart. The time is coming when China's leaders will seek to control the commanding heights of the economy of the United States of America. The future that will see China having a controling interest in Boeing or GM. When the Bank of China becomes a managing partner in Goldman-Sachs or J.P. Morgan or simply buys out Bank of America or CitiCorp. Americans will be gratful.
You don't understand what "politically and economically more advanced" means ?
I'm not sure that there is any real point in trying to explain, what are, simple concepts if you cannot grasp what I said earlier, is there?
What a load of bollox.
Most of you ended up over there because either your ancestors couldn't cut it in Europe/Asia.
Or, if you are black, your ancestors were sold in to slavery in to the USA
by capitalists.
That's how you're there today.
No other reason.
Love of freedom - don't make me laugh.
And in terms of longevity, you really need to read up about the political metamorphosis of political thought throughout Europe.
You do know that the British parliament has been in existence for centuries?
You do know that?
Your country is what, officially 233 years old.
A veritable pygmy in terms of political evolution.
Eh.
No.
Look, I have nothing against Europeans. Europeans are fortunate to be so advanced.
Part of the problem here concerning energy is that the politically advanced Democratic Party ( which is in control right now ) won't allow the American people to have more nuclear power.
Or even drill for domestic oil.
Our Democratic Party believes that we are causing global warming, and have tried to spread hysteria about it. In the end it was just a plot to tax industry.
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Most of you ended up over there because either your ancestors couldn't cut it in Europe/Asia. Or, if you are black, your ancestors were sold in to slavery in to the USA by capitalists.
It's not my fault that my ancestors left Europe. And by the way, the assault on this side of the pond was orchestrated by Europeans.
The slave trade began under European colonialism. It was wrong -- and Americans had to set it right.
Whatever disagreement you might have with some Americans ( like me ) you still know that we are your ally. Friends really.
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You do know that the British parliament has been in existence for centuries? You do know that?
Yeah, I do remember something about a King in England.
The American people do not need advice. We are friends with you -- you are friends with us.
Look, I have nothing against Europeans. Europeans are fortunate to be so advanced.
Part of the problem here concerning energy is that the politically advanced Democratic Party ( which is in control right now ) won't allow the American people to have more nuclear power.
Or even drill for domestic oil.
Our Democratic Party believes that we are causing global warming, and have tried to spread hysteria about it. In the end it was just a plot to tax industry.
It's not my fault that my ancestors left Europe. And by the way, the assault on this side of the pond was orchestrated by Europeans.
The slave trade began under European colonialism. It was wrong -- and Americans had to set it right.
Whatever disagreement you might have with some Americans ( like me ) you still know that we are your ally. Friends really.
Yeah, I do remember something about a King in England.
The American people do not need advice. We are friends with you -- you are friends with us.
British parliament has been in existence since 11th century.
Parliament - the mother of parliaments - evolved throughout time.
Your country is 233 years old.
Politically it has not even started to evolve.
Don't presume that I am british by the way.
If you look at Europe : Germany, France, Norway, Holland : their economies are superb.
America? Remove California and the State of New York, and the US economy is commensurate with a middle level performing European economy.
California has the 6th best economy in the world - remove it from the US economic statistics and Americas economy suddenly becomes a lot poorer.
Remove New York and the picture gets worse.
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Who owns The Bank of China or The China Industrial Bank (These are owned by the Chinese State as most companies with China in the name). Who owns Sinopec why the Chinese State. Who owns Shanghai Aviation which is a major partner in building Boeing aircraft, why it is the People's Liberation Army.
The Chinese are smart enough to know that the state cares little for who cooks fast food or makes cheap crap for Walmart or the Dollar Mart in America. However it does own the plastic plants or steel mills who supply the factories turning out crap for Walmart and the Dollar Mart. 
The time is coming when China's leaders will seek to control the commanding heights of the economy of the United States of America. The future that will see China having a controling interest in Boeing or GM. When the Bank of China becomes a managing partner in Goldman-Sachs or J.P. Morgan or simply buys out Bank of America or CitiCorp. Americans will be gratful.
