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McCain was a weak candidate who offered little contrast to Obama. The left and the media advocates these great 'moderate' GOPers but would never support them and turn on them once they have been nominated.
There is more to being a conservative than being opposed to abortion and gay marriage. I think a real conservative candidate could have done better than McCain in PA, though he or she may not have carried the commonwealth. Even W did much better in PA than McCain. PA is an industrial state and a candidate firmly opposed to Cap-and-Trade (which McCain supports, though not the House version) would have an edge. Keep in mind, McCain suspended his campaign and led the effort for the TARP program. A real conservative would not support that and the Congressional conservatives (Paul, Pence, Bachmann, Henserling, etc.) opposed it vehemently. Given the 2008 climate, it may have been tough for the (R) to carry PA in the President's race. Pat Toomey is a true conservative and, IMO, will carry the Senate race next year. Specter stands for nothing and Sestak is to the left of Obama. His policies (higher taxes, EFCA, more Government, Cap-and-Trade, Government run Healthcare, no tort reform, etc.) are bad for PA as they are for the entire nation.
How exactly is Toomey going to be competitive enough in SEPA?? The margins he loses by there is simply going to be too large for him to make up for in the other parts of the state. Also, McCain didn't get crushed in areas such as Delaware and Montgomery counties because he wasn't conservative enough. Moderates fleeing due to his hard right turn really hurt him there.
How exactly is Toomey going to be competitive enough in SEPA?? The margins he loses by there is simply going to be too large for him to make up for in the other parts of the state.
You've stated this a million times. Who knows how well Toomey is going to do in SEPA or suburban Philly now that were 375 (or so) days away from the election? I still think he'll win and I know that you disagree.
Why must you, every time I post something about Toomey, chime in and say he is going to lose b/c of his lack of support in Suburban Philly?
You've stated this a million times. Who knows how well Toomey is going to do in SEPA or suburban Philly now that were 375 (or so) days away from the election? I still think he'll win and I know that you disagree.
Why must you, every time I post something about Toomey, chime in and say he is going to lose b/c of his lack of support in Suburban Philly?
Because its something you have never been able to respond to. You keep claiming Toomey will win, but have no response to the problems he will face in that portion of the state. Suburban Philly is a very important portion of the state in statewide races. No one from either Party has ever won statewide without winning suburban Philly, and it has moved rather strongly towards the Dems. It is an area where politically Toomey matches up very poorly in, and both Specter & Sestak fit in very well.
Because its something you have never been able to respond to. You keep claiming Toomey will win, but have no response to the problems he will face in that portion of the state. Suburban Philly is a very important portion of the state in statewide races. No one from either Party has ever won statewide without winning suburban Philly, and it has moved rather strongly towards the Dems. It is an area where politically Toomey matches up very poorly in, and both Specter & Sestak fit in very well.
How about this: Toomey is a good candidate who supports policies that are good for this country and its citizens, without regard to whether they label themselves (D), (R), conservative, liberal, etc. Specter is an unprincipled hack who cares only about getting re-elected and the people should be able to see through this. People who don't see this are not very smart. Sestak, while principled, is a Big Government leftist (like Obama, if not worse) whose policies (if implemented) will drive the municipality where they are implemented into the ground. Living in NY or LI, you should know that leftist policies are bad which is why NY and LI have been depopulating domestically. Also, Big Government leftist policies are just as bad when they come from people with (R) after their name. Look at the nutjob running as an (R) in NY-23; she was endorsed by the 'Kos.
How about this: Toomey is a good candidate who supports policies that are good for this country and its citizens, without regard to whether they label themselves (D), (R), conservative, liberal, etc. Specter is an unprincipled hack who cares only about getting re-elected and the people should be able to see through this. People who don't see this are not very smart. Sestak, while principled, is a Big Government leftist (like Obama, if not worse) whose policies (if implemented) will drive the municipality where they are implemented into the ground. Living in NY or LI, you should know that leftist policies are bad which is why NY and LI have been depopulating domestically. Also, Big Government leftist policies are just as bad when they come from people with (R) after their name. Look at the nutjob running as an (R) in NY-23; she was endorsed by the 'Kos.
You are letting your own personal beliefs impact your predictions. I personally think Toomey is a horrid candidate and his hard right views would be horrible for the country.
However, this is not about how you are I feel personally about the policies of Specter, Sestak or Toomey. This is about the on the ground political realities of Pennsylvania and at this point in time Republicans as conservative as Toomey are simply unelectable in Pennsylvania because they simply can not be competitive in important areas of the state.
I obviously grew up in a different Pennsylvania than the one some of you are talking about. Most of western PA is solid blue collar Democrat. This includes not only Pittsburgh and Allegheny County, but most of the other western counties as well. Suburban Philly used to be more Republican, but now apparently has gone Democrat, too.
I agree with you, I grew up there...many moons ago...and Scranton/Wilkes-Barre is also urban and heavily skewed in favor of the Democrats.
If New Jersey can elect a republican Governor, the possibility of Pa electing another republican Governor and Senator isn't just possible, its very possible. Probably even likely considering Spector.
It's more of a middle ground. Outside major urban areas liberal candidates don't do well at all, even in surrounding suburbs. .
The problem in my opinion is the urban national media. Every opinion and story offered is told through the eyes of the urban perspective (both conservative and liberal). That's why their readers/viewers think the suburban/rural voters are oddballs/nuts/astroturf. When those people hear how the people outside of the city limits think, once they open their mouths during an election cycle, it seems foreign/whacko/stupid to them because they've been spoonfed the urban perspective. You know, they interview the folks from the big cities and talk to analysts from the big cities but when they want to find out what's going on in Podunk, instead of talking to people they pull out their data.
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