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Dixiegirl7, here is the story.
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Dixiegirl7, here is the story.
She'll do anything for media coverage.
During her Tea Party speech she said a resume isn’t what’s important in a candidate, that she’d rather see average, everyday people run for office who may or not have ever been involved in politics.
So how many years has John McCain been in politics? How much money does this average Joe have?
I wouldn't say he is a "real Republican" at all. His position on quite a few things is troubling to most Republicans and I really don't know why Palin is even endorsing him.
What about Rand is not real republican to you? Remember, when speaking about republicans, you cannot use Newt or Rudy G. as a basis for comparison. You MUST use Barry Goldwater as a metric.
I never said you did. lol I don't know why you'd think that?
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I didn't say people shouldn't get Social Security benefits or Medicare. I was pointing out that Social Security and Medicare are programs run by the government. Of course I want to get my Social Security check. I'll be one of "them" soon.
I never said you said anything like that or inferred it from the sentence I posted.
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Also, it's not true that everyone on Medicare paid for it. There are so many different ways to become eligible. I edited my post because it would take too long to get into detail.
However, if at 65 you only worked a total of 40 quarters (10 years) in your entire life, you can receive benefits. Unlike Social Security, your benefits are not based on your contributions or the number of years you worked, as long as you or your spouse worked the minimum required. Someone who paid into the system for 44 years gets the same Medicare benefits as someone who worked for 10 years. So, in other words, let's say I've worked for the past 40 years and I'm 58. I'm not eligible (unless I am on SSID or have end stage renal disease) but someone 65 who worked for 10 years and then goofed off can go on Medicare. If your spouse worked for 10 years and paid into the system, then both of you are covered at age 65. So a woman can marry a man who only worked 10 years in his entire life and they're both eligible. A 60 year old couple who each worked 44 years (a total of 88 years) years isn't eligible for Medicare and, if not covered by group benefits, has to pay very high insurance premiums, if they can even get health insurance.
EDIT: Since this thread is about Sarah Palin's endorsement of Rand Paul, I shouldn't continue or it will be off-topic. I was only reacting to a post that took my words out of context. I was simply saying that being against any government interference in health care while receiving Medicare benefits is a bit hypocritical. I'll rant on another thread that deals with health care however!
Your analysis of my short comment was off base. It is not hypocritical of those people. It would be hypocritical if they were against it, didn't pay into the system and then used it.
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Also, it's not true that everyone on Medicare paid for it.
Where did I say that? Show me, please! (who does that sound like? lol)
My short, one sentence post, was directed at those who pay into it.
If you pay payroll taxes, you pay for medicare.
If she wants to remain in the political spotlight, she should be able to take the criticism. Yes, I believe she's gotten a lot of unfair press, but who hasn't? Do you think Hillary Clinton was treated any better? Yet Hillary is a brilliant scholar who was at the top of her class at Wellesley and has a very impressive list of achievements. The following video shows that when anyone hinted that Hillary was criticized too harshly by the media, Palin called her a whiner. Quote from Palin about Clinton: "She does herself a disservice for even mentioning it." (the excess criticism) Quote from Palin: "Fair or unfair, it's a reality." Yet when Sarah can't answer simple questions, she's being attacked by the media? Seriously, she couldn't even talk about our Founding Fathers to Glenn Beck. At least she knows who the first president of the United States was. Guess she remembers getting his birthday off from school.
I think Hilary received some unfair treatment also. That is the sexist world we live in still. I also think the Democrats in general threw her under the bus for Obama. I hope he was worth it.
Where did I say that? Show me, please! (who does that sound like? lol)
My short, one sentence post, was directed at those who pay into it.
If you pay payroll taxes, you pay for medicare.
I guess you didn't read all of my post. There are a heck of a lot of people who didn't "pay into it" at all. I already gave you examples. You only need to work a total of 10 years (40 payroll quarters) to be eligible. Also, as I already said, there are plenty of people who never worked but were married to someone who did. I've met people from other countries who found out an ex-spouse died and moved here to collect his or her Social Security check and get Medicare benefits. Once again, I am not judging anyone. However, stating that everyone pays his fair share is incorrect.
Again, person A who has worked for 45 years from age 18 to 63 and can't get insurance, will go bankrupt or die (or both) if he/she becomes seriously ill. Person B who worked 10 years or married someone who worked for 10 years and turns 65 gets full coverage. Yet person A paid into the system for 45 years and is told it's "Socialism" to provide him with affordable health care coverage.
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Your analysis of my short comment was off base. It is not hypocritical of those people. It would be hypocritical if they were against it, didn't pay into the system and then used it.
Yes, I agree, and there are many. After all, haven't you heard people on Medicare saying they're against government run health care?
The hypocrisy I was talking about are the rantings of those people who say "the government shouldn't help families who need health insurance" or "don't lower the age of Medicare to 55" because they already have it. LBJ signed Medicare into law in 1965 and people didn't start paying into it until 1966. So many people who retired and went on Medicare at age 65 didn't spend years paying into it at all, although that's changing of course. But even today, someone who is 85 and stopped working 25 years ago at age 60 only paid for 19 years. What I am saying is very rational and simple to understand. There is no argument here. Both Medicare & Social Security are government run programs and as close to "Socialism" as a program can get. I never said people didn't pay into these programs or deserve benefits, only that a lot of other people have worked twice as long and can't get them.
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I can see how an opportunistic Palin would try to ride Rand Paul home like a horse. Rand Paul is more libertarian, and Palin can attain her libertarian merit badge by saying she supports him. Of course, when it comes to Texas, she chooses the neo-con Perry over Medina...but hey, all it takes is one libertarian to get your girl scout merit badge.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that Palin doesn't scare me, it's the political ignorance in this country that cheers on Palin while she speaks without substance and can't answer simple questions on the issues.
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There's a group of people that would love to believe that people are "afraid" of Palin, but I think you hit the money on why people truly feel compelled to call her out on so many things.
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Of course I want to get my Social Security check. I'll be one of "them" soon.
