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Old 06-17-2010, 08:40 PM
 
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You said earlier you read the 51% claim on CD by another poster. So what you basically did was read a post someone completely made up and repeated it without doing even the slightest but of research on your own, and you repeated the lie. Even with the bailouts, etc the 51% is simply made up b.s.
I read the HUFFINGTON POST,FREEDOMWORKS,BOB LIVINGSTON,etc take your pick... start reading and educate yourself any way they are in business & they shouldn't be... now they are making a play on taking over the internet. Don't preach to me if you don't know your Constitution or your Bill of Rights...what give up on the triva question?... i said all i'am going to say...
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I read the HUFFINGTON POST,FREEDOMWORKS,BOB LIVINGSTON,etc take your pick... start reading and educate yourself any way they are in business & they shouldn't be... now they are making a play on taking over the internet. Don't preach to me if you don't know your Constitution or your Bill of Rights...what give up on the triva question?... i said all i'am going to say...
I do read and do educate myself, which is why I don't make absurd claims like the 51% figure you made..
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Old 06-17-2010, 10:24 PM
 
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"Barack's Whack Jobs At The Federal Trade Commission .... Vote Barack Out Or Lose Your Freedom."

At issue is the Federal Trade Commission's report "Potential Policy Recommendations to Support the Reinvention of Journalism"

FTC Reinventing Journalism: Today’s Watchdogs May Be Tomorrow’s Lap Dogs | NewsReal Blog

Can you see any problem with the government controlling the press? Literally?

Our First Amendment freedom of the press will be out the window with the first funding check. Will the press report favorably for the hand that feeds them? What do you think?

Barack Obama and his administration are truly intent on destroying this country. This time it's 1st amendment. Free speech? Free Press?

Not if the Progressives get their way.

There is a massive network behind the "media justice" movement, part of the bigger picture of progressive fundamental change.

I don’t think there is any doubt what kind of "journalism" we can expect from implementing the ideas they have outlined. Even without an official government takeover of the industry, the news outlets will be keenly aware of the source of their funding. Our First Amendment freedom of the press will be out the window with the first funding check.



Journalism 'Reinvention' Smacks of Government Control

A list of potential policy recommendations to reinvent the field of journalism that has been compiled by the Federal Trade Commission is a "dangerous" overreach of power and a waste of taxpayer funds, say critics of the project.

FTC officials began a project in May 2009 to consider the challenges the journalism industry faces in the digital age. The federal agency recently released a discussion draft titled "Potential Policy Recommendations to Support the Reinvention of Journalism," a 47 page document that outlines a major government push to rescue the country's flailing media platforms -- specifically newspapers, which have seen advertising revenues drop roughly 45 percent since 2000.

Among the numerous proposals mentioned in the document are:

-- the creation of a "journalism" division of AmeriCorps, the federal program that places 75,000 people with local and national nonprofit groups annually;
-- tax credits to news organizations for every journalist employed;
-- establishing citizenship news vouchers, which "would allow every American tax payer to allocate some amount of government funds to the non-profit media organization" of their choice;
-- increased funding for public radio and television;
-- providing grants to universities to conduct investigative journalism;
-- increased postal subsidies for newspapers and periodicals;
-- a 5 percent tax on consumer electronics, which would generate roughly $4 billion annually, to pay for increased public funding.

But some critics are voicing concerns about the draft document, saying that if the government has any influence over the Fourth Estate, it could lead to a dizzying web of conflicting interests and the eradication of independent journalism.

"I find it dangerous for government to have a role in speech because the government gives and the government taketh away," Jeff Jarvis, an associate professor at the City University of New York's Graduate School of Journalism said.
"Most of the ideas examined in this are politically untenable," Jarvis said. "The problem with this is that the FTC is trying to set an agenda here, that some sort of government intervention is necessary. It's a power grab by the FTC and it's also an example of one old power structure circling its wagons around another."

Also from the LA Times:
Obama's FTC plan to reinvent America's news media | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

For any Progressive who responds --- you can't keep shouting "Fear Monger" or claim that this crap isn't going on with this left wing President.

Obama has got to go.
This thread is about the Barack Hussein administration's consideration of changing laws, in order to use the press as their own propaganda horn.

They will do it, if you don't make them stop.
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:42 PM
 
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Oh i guess those guys watching PORN & getting BIG OIL PERKS when they should of been watching the OIL companies ? Now MUSH MOUTH FRANK says they need more power to create more inept government to over-see the OVER-SEERERS! LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL....Stay in the kitchen and stew on that....


You are funny!

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Old 06-18-2010, 12:22 AM
 
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Its no lie what i said its all true except the 51% number in question...and i forgot about Amtrak the postal service ...our government is in businesses business. How about adding the soon to be run government insurance industry? ....
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o.k. smarty... here is a question for you... What few civilian agencies were allowed under the U.S. Constitution?
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're trying to lecture people about "what's in the Constitution" while at the same time being upset that the government is in charge of the postal service? You're gonna have to help me with the logic on that one.... Maybe I just should've said this instead:

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Don't preach to me if you don't know your Constitution or your Bill of Rights...what give up on the triva question?
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Old 06-18-2010, 12:26 AM
 
Location: southern california
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GOP.
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Old 06-18-2010, 12:32 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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The railroads learned their lesson about acquisitions of other railroads they quit calling them mergers because of all the perks to the employee's affected.They are refered to as consolidations now to avoid these costs...see how a play of words changes things? I remember those souped up American Motors Ramblers boxy like a Chevy II...
I helped a buddy of mine restore an old AMC Scout a few years ago. They were well-built cars. It's still running today.

Regarding "consolidations" vs. "Mergers", It's the same thing regarding "Bail Out" vs "Subsidies". We subsidize large Agri-businesses because fruits and vegetables and cattle have become commodities. While the price of Milk hasn't significantly changed in 40 years, the cost to make it has skyrocketed.Do we subsidize the small individual farmer? Not much, as a recent article I read stated that independent farmers now require two or more incomes to survive, the wife has to work, and in many cases the man has to farm the land and still have a second job (I wished I saved that link). We "subsidize" commercial airlines almost every decade, but do they ever pay anything back? I can't find any article that says they did. Worst of all, we "subsidize" American oil companies to the tune of $8 or $9 billion a year, even during the time a few years ago when they were making their biggest profits in their history. Bush let it happen, and as far as I know Obama hasn't stopped it.

We are a corporate welfare state, so where do we draw the line?
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Old 06-18-2010, 12:46 AM
 
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This thread is about the Barack Hussein administration's consideration of changing laws, in order to use the press as their own propaganda horn.

They will do it, if you don't make them stop.
And just for the record, here's who "they" are:

J. Thomas Rosch (R) sworn in - 2006
Jon Leibowitz (D) sworn in - 2004 [current chairman]
William Kovacic (R) sworn in - 2006
Edith Ramirez (D) sworn in - 2010
Julie Brill (D) sworn in - 2010

(Your conclusion, it should be noted, is rapidly approaching the line demarcated "complete nonsense", IMO. About the only thing we probably agree on is that we don't need to be using public money to keep newspapers from going out of business. Let them fail if they can't adapt to the times.)
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:06 AM
 
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Do we subsidize the small individual farmer? Not much, as a recent article I read stated that independent farmers now require two or more incomes to survive, the wife has to work, and in many cases the man has to farm the land and still have a second job (I wished I saved that link).
If "personal testimonial" means anything to you, I can say that I've lived this exact scenario. I grew up on a "small family farm", which my parents still own and work. My father is also a factory worker and my mother operates a self-owned business. I know he's talked about finally retiring (from the factory), but he's pretty much stuck because they can't get health insurance, and they're too young for Medicare. I suppose that's a topic for another time, however....
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Old 06-18-2010, 02:12 PM
 
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And just for the record, here's who "they" are:

J. Thomas Rosch (R) sworn in - 2006
Jon Leibowitz (D) sworn in - 2004 [current chairman]
William Kovacic (R) sworn in - 2006
Edith Ramirez (D) sworn in - 2010
Julie Brill (D) sworn in - 2010

(Your conclusion, it should be noted, is rapidly approaching the line demarcated "complete nonsense", IMO. About the only thing we probably agree on is that we don't need to be using public money to keep newspapers from going out of business. Let them fail if they can't adapt to the times.)
We agree on letting newspapers fail if they can't find a way to stay alive on their own.

I still think that if -- Let's say -- the Democrats start handing over checks to owners of newspapers, there will be a lot of incentive for the newspapers to report favorably toward the Party doing the giving. It could work both ways and maybe when the Republicans are in power, they'd get the biased print.

There would also be the temptation for politicians to use bailout money as bribes in exchange for a little help from the press. Biased reporting.

Don't say it could never happen.

Have you ever heard of state owned media? It never turns out good.
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