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Old 05-10-2023, 09:29 PM
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I consider myself lucky to have been born in 1957. I believe I was first taken to the Metropolitan Museum of Art (the "Met") when I was eleven or twelve years old, in the late 1960's. The works of art, from ancient Greece, Egypt and Africa were awe-inspiring. Now, the powers that be plan to "return" much of this art tot he Third-World governments of lands that produced them. See New York Times article (link). Part of the program, to return stolen works, are unobjectionable. Excerpt (link):
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The moves come as the Met — one of the largest museums in the world, with more than 1.5 million works from the past 5,000 years in its holdings — has been buffeted in recent years by increasing calls to repatriate works that law enforcement officials and foreign governments say it has no right to.
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Some critics want museums to do far more than simply ensure that ancient objects were not stolen. Even when no laws were broken, they want museums to place a greater emphasis on social justice, ensuring that objects were not obtained by exploiting societies weakened by poverty, colonialism, war or political instability — and to return them if they were.
Here's the problem; most of the world, except for a few select First-World countries, have been part of "societies weakened by poverty, colonialism, war or political instability." Basically, this means emptying of the great museums of the world.
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Old 05-12-2023, 03:14 PM
 
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Well, in these times of computers and digitalization, consider that the concepts of "ownership", "on display", even a museum's "collection" have been radically altered. The original object no longer needs to be physically present in order to impress, educate, or contribute to research. Patrons aren't permitted to touch or handle most original museum collection artifacts in any case.
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Old 05-12-2023, 11:30 PM
 
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Greece, though far from perfect, is not exactly a third world country....
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Old 05-13-2023, 09:56 PM
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Greece, though far from perfect, is not exactly a third world country....
Damned close. I had dinner tonight with my ethnically Greek friend, whose parents, I think, were born here. He agreed that most of Greece's more talented people brain-drained here.
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Old 05-14-2023, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Southern MN
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How well will those Third World countries be able to preserve their treasures?

Will money be spent that should be feeding, housing and clothing the poor?

Will there be protection from marauding and destructive enemies?

Or will their wealthy rulers take them all for themselves?

Maybe a contract of conservatorship would be a better idea? Conservatorship isn't the right word. Not sure what the legal contract would be called.
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Old 05-15-2023, 04:05 PM
 
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I always thought museums had permission to display works of ancient art. If they acquired art illegitimately it should be returned. In the UK the monarch has possession of rare and large diamonds acquired during British colonialism, that some countries claim should be returned.
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Old 10-30-2023, 08:04 PM
 
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They're being returned because they were illegally looted from those countries. They don't belong to the US museum and never did.
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Old 11-01-2023, 02:58 PM
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They're being returned because they were illegally looted from those countries. They don't belong to the US museum and never did.
At the time they were collected their collection was not "illegal." It is only some socialist view of reality of post-hoc reasoning that makes them illegal.
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Old 11-02-2023, 02:38 AM
 
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Damned close. I had dinner tonight with my ethnically Greek friend, whose parents, I think, were born here. He agreed that most of Greece's more talented people brain-drained here.
No, not even close despite its problems. You need to do a bit of research about what a third world country is. Or perhaps you're just slinging mud....as if the US doesn't have about the same amount of problems as Greece does and probably more.
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Old 11-02-2023, 08:08 PM
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Damned close. I had dinner tonight with my ethnically Greek friend, whose parents, I think, were born here. He agreed that most of Greece's more talented people brain-drained here.
No, not even close despite its problems. You need to do a bit of research about what a third world country is. Or perhaps you're just slinging mud....as if the US doesn't have about the same amount of problems as Greece does and probably more.
I am not mudslinging. Obviously people that uprooted themselves with barely the clothes on their back, at a time when the U.S. had no welfare programs other than charity, did so for a reason. Even my great-grandparents escaped from the Czar's army in Kiev, Ukraine. Obviously not something you do to see the Halifax, NS skyline in 1896.
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