06-12-2011, 11:20 PM
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I'm flip-flopping between these schools. I'd like to pursue a career in biochemistry (eventually bleeding into the neurosciences) and I, being a native Oregonian post-baccalaureate am super-thrilled to enroll in an Oregonian University.
I understand both schools are high-level research schools and my career goals are full-time research in the neurosciences. I am still not sure whether I want to pursue a PhD but it's a very real possibility (as opposed to finishing with a Masters alone.)
I also understand that OSU has more ties with OHSU (who has a phenomenal neuroscience program) but that UO has some great neuroscience graduate options as well.
And while I'm not politically liberal (more of a centrist, really) its true that I'm much more of a Duck fan than I am a Beaver. Go ducks! [I like the beavers too, but just sayin']
But of course, my sports-team preferences is secondary to my future career goals, and I'm wondering which program is stronger or more suited to my goals (for those of you who know a thing or two about it
Thank you for any input!
Edit: I am pursuing a second UNDERGRADUATE degree. Just wanted to clarify.
06-29-2011, 07:54 AM
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OSU. IMO not even close....
06-29-2011, 05:57 PM
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Why do you say that?
06-30-2011, 09:10 AM
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I recently just graduated with my BS at OSU and am headed off to CSU for a PhD program. If you are interested in science based career then you should definitely attend OSU. While visiting other schools OSU has a far better reputation in the sciences and is well known for the amount of research that they perform.
While UO is a good school it is mainly a school for the Arts and if you were wanting to attend a law school or architecture then I would highly suggest it. However, it has a weak science program, and doesn't even come close to the amount of money in grants for research that OSU has.
If you would like to get a good (hard) science degree then OSU is right for you, especially if you are considering higher education.
Hope this helps!
06-30-2011, 03:24 PM
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I recently just graduated with my BS at OSU and am headed off to CSU for a PhD program. If you are interested in science based career then you should definitely attend OSU. While visiting other schools OSU has a far better reputation in the sciences and is well known for the amount of research that they perform.
While UO is a good school it is mainly a school for the Arts and if you were wanting to attend a law school or architecture then I would highly suggest it. However, it has a weak science program, and doesn't even come close to the amount of money in grants for research that OSU has.
If you would like to get a good (hard) science degree then OSU is right for you, especially if you are considering higher education.
Hope this helps!
This is EXACTLY what I encountered. I began my physics study at U of O, and pretty soon became aware of just how terrible was the quality of teaching. Furthermore the department had no intention of making it any better. It was a headlong pursuit for the dwindling research money being kicked out by the NIH/NSF that animated the profs, and teaching was nothing more than an irritant.
What finally made me make the commute to OSU from Eugene was my buddy who transferred to their physics program from U of O. He instantly recognized that our initial school sucked and kept insisting that I transfer. I went and talked to the head of the OSU physics department who told me about their curriculum. They had instituted a paradigm program, which was an intensive, one month course in one specific physics topic. It graded and had the same units as a regular 10 week course, but was highly concentrated and the profs were fully involved in the teaching. We had two profs teaching, a grad student in the classroom to assist, they showed you how the math worked with the physics, unlike U of O which assumed that since you had taken a math class you instantly knew how to apply it to physics, and encouraged class discussion of first principles and concepts.
But what was so very interesting why the program was instituted was because nearly a decade ago, students were tested right after the classes ended to see how much of the material they had retained. The results showed that the biggest attribute wasn't mastery of the subject matter or a capacity to apply to other topics, rather it was complete confusion of both concepts and the applied math. Students couldn't calculate basic problems from their just completed courses, had little if any understanding of the core concepts or first principles, had merely memorized enough to pass, or in some cases, pass with high grades, but once the test was passed and the course was over, their minds simply disposed of material they never understood in the first place. I can tell you from experience from what I had seen at U of O, that was pretty much the same. I can't tell you the number of fellow students who kept telling me that after a certain point, they had no idea what our professor was talking about. Not a good commentary for any uni, most especially for the state flagship.
When faced with the situation, the OSU physics administrators didn't blame the students, but rather said that something was wrong with the teaching. They applied for an NSF grant in order to improve how their department could better teach their students and the paradigm courses were the result. IMO it displayed a great deal of integrity and character not to simply say that students were lazy and unprepared, instead it was a teaching problem. From that experience alone I put OSU >>>>> U of O, at least in the sciences.
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06-30-2011, 06:28 PM
Just to add some balance, OSU and UO are ranked pretty similarly in Biochem. UO slightly edges out OSU, but I doubt it's enough to make any real difference.
NRC Rankings in Biochem/Molec Biol
Different schools are going to have individual strengths, obviously. I would look at what the professors are doing at each school and pick the one that seemed the most interesting (if you want to get into a good graduate program, having some research experience is pretty much required).
06-30-2011, 09:06 PM
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I would have to say that just because UO ranks higher than OSU doesn't mean that other professors from other universities would agree. Many people I met with while on my prospective visits made comments about how UO wasn't as highly reguarded as OSU. As an undergraduate I had the chance to lead my own project in a research laboratory, TA classes along side other graduate students, and become heavily involved in the department in which I was vested. These opportunities did no seem as abundant as UO nor did they encourage graduate school as much for undergraduate/graduate science majors.
I am not to sure what to think about your link you provided. I know for a fact that Davis is ahead of Berkley (the supposedly bigger sister), when in fact Davis brings in FAR more money than Berkley. I know this because when I attended the recruit weekend to Davjs, the college dean told me so. Also, CSU isn't even on your list and most people in my program had been accepted to Irvine, Columbia, and other places.
As you stated, it does depend on your prospective professor on where you attend, but it does depend on your committe members and your ability to learn from other professors on how likely you are to get a job out of college. UO is well known for is Arts side of things and OS is known for thier sciences. This is just my knowledge and my experience considering I grew up in Eugene and moved to Corvallis for my BS degrees.
06-30-2011, 11:43 PM
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Just to add some balance, OSU and UO are ranked pretty similarly in Biochem. UO slightly edges out OSU, but I doubt it's enough to make any real difference.
NRC Rankings in Biochem/Molec Biol
Different schools are going to have individual strengths, obviously. I would look at what the professors are doing at each school and pick the one that seemed the most interesting (if you want to get into a good graduate program, having some research experience is pretty much required).
Academic Ranking of World Universities:
Oregon State University is within the ranking of 101-200. University of Oregon is within the ranking of 201-300. According to this organization, OSU >> University of Oregon.
And while I tend to agree that you do need to find a good professor, the most important factor is making sure that they're going to actually mentor and guide you to becoming a scientist, rather than use you for slave labor for however many years they may need your services as a lab monkey. If you do get a decent adviser, then you'll have a good chance of landing in postdoc hell, where you will be working 60 hour weeks at 35-40k, while running the chance that again you get an adviser or committee that has no interest in your work other than again using you for underpaid lab and teaching assignments. After looking into grad programs and the fact that tenure is becoming very scarce, as is grant money,it became evident that I would be lucky to find those profs and advisers who are anywhere interested in my becoming another PH.d chasing the same diminishing pot of research money. Didn't make any sense to me, but for an aspiring scientist from India, China or Eastern Europe, where making $1800/month as a grad student was a damn good gig relative to what they could do or get paid at home, then it does make sense. But most of them go back home when it dawns on them that they can't make it here on the salaries mentioned earlier. I've heard one too many horror stories from foreign grad/post docs who couldn't wait to get the hell outta Dodge and go back home....
07-03-2011, 09:29 PM
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Eh. PhD physicists tend to make quite a bit and enjoy very, very low unemployment. Sure, it's possible to choose wrong (high energy, bio, astro) and find yourself in postdoc hell for the next twenty years, but it doesn't have to be that way.
But back to the point of this thread, it's simply not true that OSU and UO are "not even close." Academic rankings overall are a pretty worthless metric, IMO. It's much more important to know how a specific department performs, and by that metric, OSU and UO are close enough in biochem that there isn't a clear winner and things like potential professors to work with take on a bigger weight.
07-03-2011, 11:26 PM
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Eh. PhD physicists tend to make quite a bit and enjoy very, very low unemployment. Sure, it's possible to choose wrong (high energy, bio, astro) and find yourself in postdoc hell for the next twenty years, but it doesn't have to be that way.
Here is an interesting essay about that by a PhD professor of physics:
"Are you thinking of becoming a scientist? Do you want to uncover the mysteries of nature, perform experiments or carry out calculations to learn how the world works? Forget it! "
The whole thing here:
Don't Become a Scientist!
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People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)